On Sunday 16 January 2005 07:27, Mark Jordan wrote: > On 15 Jan 2005 at 21:41, revtec wrote: > > If the first part of the Bible is a fairy tale, then, how far into it > > does the truth start? If the first part is a lie, then, the rest can't > > be trusted either. The whole thing should be dumped in the trash and one > > should sleep in on a Sunday morning. The Bible is either the word of God > > or it isn't. It's all or nothing for me. Anything else is hypocritical. > > > > My bottom line is that the Bible makes more sense to me than Darwinism. > > > > Jeff > > I think you would like reading Zecharia Sitchin's books. > He did a very interesting Genesis analysis based on ancient > Sumerian legacy. > > Take a look at http://www.sitchin.com > > Mark Jordan
Hello All, Ahhh! Now here's some red meat! I has long been cliched that most tales handed down through the generations by voice or in books, no matter how fantastic, have some basis however tenuous in facts. The first chapters of the Bible bear much in common with many creation myths of many cultures. The same thread runs in them. Now comes Mr Sitchin with a story about a rogue planet captured by our solar system billions of years ago. He names this planet 'Niburu' and claims in a book that it has an elliptical orbit taking thousands if not tens of thousands of years. Such a 'planet' could have been taken from a passing star system that came too close to ours. Our Oort cloud seems to have a sharp boundary according to some accounts, and such a sharp boundary could have been due to our system being gravitationally 'shaved' as if by a giant lathe by the gravitational forces of a passing system that came within less than a light year of our central star. Supposedly this captured planet became a kind of rogue in our system and sometime after becoming one of our celestial family took part in the destruction of a planet that occupied the space between Mars and Jupiter. The 'evidence' of that event supposedly is the Asteroid Belt. All this took place allegedly billions of years ago. There is a long yarn in Sitchin's book and others in this vein about an alien race called the Annunaki, who are supposed to have bioengineered us from primitive species variousely 300,000 years ago and then again 20,000 years ago. This is from the writings of Sitchin and others who take as evidence the similarity of Sumerian creation myths and those of other peoples who were able to write them down. The Hindu God 'Kali' is even mentioned. Unfortunately, reading some of this material seems to me better suited for sale to Paramount Studios for ideas behind the popular series 'Star Gate'. Substitute "Ga' ould" for "Annunaki" and it would all read the same. Reading some of it makes me want to find the StarGate here on Earth. Maybe it is buried under the Sphinx or the Great Pyramid. I do suspect that the Great Pyramids were built like the Russian KGB said, by others for thier own reasons unrelated to simply a headstone. No one in the time of the ancient Egyptians would have really stayed around in such numbers to be enslaved for such a foolish project. It was too easy to flee into the desert and freedom. Now to the kernel of it. Sitchin claimes that a close encounter with this rogue planet about 10,900 years ago caused the great flood by causing the destabilizaion of the Antarctic ice sheet. This was to have caused a massive tidal wave of several thousand feet in height. Such a wave would have destroyed virtually all life; and there would have been evidence for this somewhere. I doubt that the Antarctic sheet would have slid off the continent. It would not have held together. More likely in case of a real rogue planet near fly by would be massive tidal forces on both planets that would have carried much of the water of the oceans in a single massive wave of destruction. Such would have also affected our crustal plates and stimulated massive vulcanism. The cratered scablands of eastern Washington State in the United States are the result of a kind of 'sheet volcano' that can occur with the opening of a crack in the world as it were. This is exactly the kind of thing that could be caused globally by such an event. The resulting devastation and subsequent planetary winter and glaciation would have certainly left a record somewhere. However, if the flyby was a bit more distant and the tidal forces less, it is possible some could have survived and a smaller record of destruction left in the fossil record. Now there was recently discovered a new body of the size and orbit predicted by Sitchin and others. It is called 'Sedna' by our astronomers. Maybe some smart guy with a computer and more free time than most of us will figure this out and track its orbit back, say about 10,900 years or so and similarly over lay this plot with Earth's orbit in the same time period. Of course the time assumptions will probably make all these calculations guesswork at best as far as some of our pathoskeptiks are concerned; but such a bit of work would be welcome and recieved fairly by many others. Somewhere between Christianity, Marduk, the Annunaki, the Ga'oald, the Koran, Zoroaster, the Sumerians, the Akkadians, Solkar and Anubis and the rest, there may yet be a germ of something real.........or not. I am curious! Standing Bear PS, and when the Russian intelligence service resurrects Project Isis and looks into the Tomb of the Visitor and Osiris and the rest, I want to be one of the ones to try out the Star Gate when it is found in the chamber that the radar found under the tomb..........