Frederick Sparber writes, > > Hi Horace, you write: Graneau does indeed suggest there exists some mechanism whereby energy can be stored in molecular bonds, and that the source of the energy so stored is solar.
> I think the proper term for the molecular (solar stored) energy effect is called Fluorescence, Keith ... :-) Well, there is a fluorescence connection to the Graneau ("big water") experiment, but it is not obvious, nor necessarily derived from solar exposure. Graneau may have found excess energy, but that does not mean that he got the explanation exactly correct. I submit that the real source of the excess energy in Graneau's work is ultimately ZPE. Both the energy derived from breaking of hydrogen bonds in a 260 atom **water cluster** and any excess mass derived from exposure to cryogenic temperature would be derived ultimately from ZPE. It matters not that the bond energy content is calculated as negative or positive at the outset. The Casimir force can be restated to be the mechanical effects of a "particular spatial strata" which can be repulsive or attractive within a particular "hierarchical aether spectrum"- which Frank Grimer is calling beta-aether. The Casimir is also a "vacuum fluctuation," since that strata is not physically located in our 3-space but instead is located in the "active vacuum" (reciprocal space) - as distinguished from the literal meaning of that word, "vacuum." The Casimir is also a secondary (or derivative) "field," but with field-effects which are dictated by its local geometry in which spatial effects are operating and focusing or shielding electromagnetic fields and to a lesser extent, the omnipresent neutron flux. That is why the Casimir force can be called a derivative form of ZPE - it only dictates how other primary fields operate at close spacing - in the case of the beta-aether, we have what seems to be a spacing of about 2-20 nanometers. BTW there are some arguments which try to deny the self-sameness of the Casimir and ZPE - which are often political (science-agenda ploys), rather than purely scientific. For present purposes, the Casimir will be (re)defined to be a subset of ZPE - which, yes, is an agenda statement, but an accurate one. It is my contention that the "local geometry" where the Casimir force is working is related directly to Dirac's epo field which is the basis of the ZPF (and is basically a "negative energy" field). According to the expert on Dirac theory, Don Hotson, the epo acts as if were a BEC. That is to say, we move through the Dirac epo field "as if it wasn't there, without any resistance normally, because it acts uniformly from another impinging dimension, but with "super-fluidity." Super-fluidity is a characteristic of a BEC. When in Quantum Mechanics, we hear of the "froth of virtual positronium" - we are referring to the interface between normal matter and this epo-BEC, which interfacial contact causes some disruption at time scales that are too short to be noticed normally. The initial geometric problem with this interpretation of the Casimir being a subset of ZPE ot the epo-field, is that the epo is based on a particulate-size of less than one angstrom, while the Casimir is strongest at about 8 times this linear dimension- or a spherical volume increase of about 400 hydrogen atoms. Coincidentally, this is the exact size of the water-particulate of Graneau's 'active water' --- which is water which is maximized in these clusters due to exposure to high altitude cold - and/or solar. The result is more clusters per unit of water. This is the *Icosahedral Water Cluster* of 280 atoms, which can be seen on Chaplin' s fine site: http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/clusters.html When this structure is violently fractured we have a mini-Bridgman effect and energy release. As Horace says -"Bond energy" in a traditional sense is an energy well, and may be a *lack* of potential energy, not a source of potential energy, BUT as Frank suggests, it does not matter if (initially) that bond energy is positive or negative, because it is thereafter shifted by Casimir power law acceleration to higher order where the eventual kinetic effects of our 3-space are always calculated as positive. If Graneau is listening here is a suggestion - try using superchilled water at about 30,000 psi and around 126 degree K in order to get into the water through the ice-3 or ice-9 regime, after which there should be an enormous phase change and double-boost on a discharge of current ! IMHO you should get far more than the doubling of energy which you now see - perhaps an order of magnitude more. There is a possibility that some mixture of cryogenic water with or without liquid air, when injected into a diesel engine, can substitute for fossil fuel, in whole or in part. OK. It may be a small possibility... even miniscule, but it deserves to be tested experimentally. To me this is the future of nanotechnology - fuel nanotechnology which capitalizes on the Casimir effect using cheap materials (water and air). Jones