Without some breakthrough, fuel cells are just a distraction.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/05/why-battery-electric-vehicles-will-beat-fuel-cells/

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:35 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>
wrote:

> Misinformation?  Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's going
> down fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for
> powering its future fleet...
> -mark iverson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:12 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry Blanton
>
> Jed Rothwell wrote:
> > I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with plug-in
> electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles.
>
> "Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly developed
> RAV4 electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units over
> more than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths, with
> Tesla working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model 3
> sedan to market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a
> technology that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has ridiculed."
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> > Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly cowed by
> the possibility of losing large market share to Tesla.
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> Maybe not bizarre. Anyway, it's not wise to bet against Toyota. Tesla's
> shares are down 55 points since October-and Toyota is up 10. Toyota may
> know something that we, or even Elon-the-magnificent, do not yet appreciate
> - such as a breakthrough in cheap H2. GM dissed Toyota’s Prius a few years
> ago- as every "expert" in Detroit knew batteries were a dead-end
> technology. That was a billion dollar mistake that helped bankrupt GM.
>
> Things change with the small incremental advance, and Toyota is definitely
> a player in LENR and with a hydrogen IP portfolio that is unreal. H2 may
> yet be the low cost answer, and they know it. Even without them, however,
> we are only a breakthrough away from cheap H2 from LENR - maybe from a
> water-dog-bone <g>.
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> Think about thermal decomposition of water with a newly discovered
> catalyst, probably in one of these 5300 patents, plus an improved dog-bone
> reactor at 1300C.
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> As of now, we know that water molecules split into hydrogen and oxygen at
> 2200 °C  at a usable rate of about three percent (this is usable since
> waste heat is recycled at high efficiency) but with a breakthrough catalyst
> and low-cost heat, giving something like 2% conversion at 1300 °C, plus
> good heat recovery, then hydrogen becomes cheaper than battery-based
> electricity storage.  The amount of lithium in a Tesla battery pack could
> possibly power 1,000,000 dogbones.
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> We could be closer than anyone imagines to the hydrogen economy ... anyone
> other than Toyota.
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