Without some breakthrough, fuel cells are just a distraction. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/05/why-battery-electric-vehicles-will-beat-fuel-cells/
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:35 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > Misinformation? Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's going > down fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for > powering its future fleet... > -mark iverson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:12 AM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Blanton > > Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with plug-in > electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles. > > "Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly developed > RAV4 electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units over > more than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths, with > Tesla working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model 3 > sedan to market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a > technology that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has ridiculed." > > > Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly cowed by > the possibility of losing large market share to Tesla. > > > Maybe not bizarre. Anyway, it's not wise to bet against Toyota. Tesla's > shares are down 55 points since October-and Toyota is up 10. Toyota may > know something that we, or even Elon-the-magnificent, do not yet appreciate > - such as a breakthrough in cheap H2. GM dissed Toyota’s Prius a few years > ago- as every "expert" in Detroit knew batteries were a dead-end > technology. That was a billion dollar mistake that helped bankrupt GM. > > Things change with the small incremental advance, and Toyota is definitely > a player in LENR and with a hydrogen IP portfolio that is unreal. H2 may > yet be the low cost answer, and they know it. Even without them, however, > we are only a breakthrough away from cheap H2 from LENR - maybe from a > water-dog-bone <g>. > > Think about thermal decomposition of water with a newly discovered > catalyst, probably in one of these 5300 patents, plus an improved dog-bone > reactor at 1300C. > > As of now, we know that water molecules split into hydrogen and oxygen at > 2200 °C at a usable rate of about three percent (this is usable since > waste heat is recycled at high efficiency) but with a breakthrough catalyst > and low-cost heat, giving something like 2% conversion at 1300 °C, plus > good heat recovery, then hydrogen becomes cheaper than battery-based > electricity storage. The amount of lithium in a Tesla battery pack could > possibly power 1,000,000 dogbones. > > We could be closer than anyone imagines to the hydrogen economy ... anyone > other than Toyota. > > > > > > > >
