Gigi, Dave and Alain--
You, Gigi, wrote to Alain:
"I, personally, do not think that LENR are real but we are speaking about some
specific experiments: it took 15 minute to me to understand that electrical
power measurements were wrong in the TPR2. It's my job, I design and build
power electonics and usually I use smart methods to measure power. In the TPR2
there was a hidden wattmeter; I simply found it and I wrote to Hoistadt. Rossi
was very aggressive against me, whereas normally he lets people say whatever
they want; so I'm sure I was right."
What is the evidence for the "hidden wattmeter" you, Gigi, say you found? Were
there data that it the "hidden wattmeter" provided that you know about, and if
so, what were those data? Your professed understanding of this should be laid
out.
What did Hoistadt say in response to your letter regarding this question?
Incidentally, I have a similar question to yours regarding the Mizuno test as
you have implied in the following comment:
"It is written in the Mizuno's data, our demo is only a further proof. If you
take a look of the data when the pump fails you will see that immediately both
water and reactor wall temperatures start to decrease: in the presence of a
reaction the wall temperature should have increased. Jed and Mizuno perform an
experiment without hydrogen: the result is the same they got with hydrogen. The
conclusion is that there is still some residual hydrogen in the reactor."
My conclusion to these reported conditions was that the pump was on and
supplying energy to the system, and was not the absence of a poor vacuum with
residual hydrogen in the reaction chamber.
A simple measure of pump power usage during testing could resolve this issue.
In fact using the old test setup such a test should be run to measure this
power usage at various temperatures. This would help resolve the issue of how
much energy is introduced into the water bath. Insulating the pump to reduce
the heat loss to the ambient in a run would further allow determination of the
pump efficiency as a function of flow. A separate measure of differential
pressure drop across the pump would establish the constancy of the flow during
the reaction period and the base lining operation Jed had identified.
Maybe MUMP should barrow the Mizuno test setup and run the same test with their
own monitoring and ambient condition controls. The radiation monitors should
not be necessary to barrow. Even the recording computer would not have to be
barrowed.
Bob Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: Gigi DiMarco
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry" revised
Alain,
I must confess that I've some problems to follow your statements. You should
stick to the facts not to general theories or books.
I, normally, run a company and at the end of the month I provide the food for
a few dozens families, including mine. I've no time for cospiracies.
I, personally, do not think that LENR are real but we are speaking about some
specific experiments: it took 15 minute to me to understand that electrical
power measurements were wrong in the TPR2. It's my job, I design and build
power electonics and usually I use smart methods to measure power. In the TPR2
there was a hidden wattmeter; I simply found it and I wrote to Hoistadt. Rossi
was very aggressive against me, whereas normally he lets people say whatever
they want; so I'm sure I was right.
Two of us measured and discovered the Defkalion trick in the water flow
measurement (or do you think it was really Gamberale?); if you like I can send
you the proofs privately. It seems to me that only you and Peter Gluck are
still confident that the hyperion works [in the meantime Defkalion disappeared
almost].
Mario Massa was a good friend of Sergio Focardi and he built and tested a
calorimeter for the Piantelli-Focardi cell. While the Piantelli measurement was
showing an excess heat, the calorimeter showed a little less than 100% that
translates into no excess heat [I hope you understand that it is very difficult
to build a fake calorimeter that gives a COP=1 exactly]. He was not anymore
allowed to stay in the vicinity of the cell. You of course can continue to call
this conspiracy, but your idea will not turn LENR into real. By the way Mario
is a good friend of Bill Collis as well: you can ask him if he considers Mario
to be a conspirator.
Coming back to Mizuno we think that in the reported experiment there is no
excess heat. It is written in the Mizuno's data, our demo is only a further
proof. If you take a look of the data when the pump fails you will see that
immediately both water and reactor wall temperatures start to decrease: in the
presence of a reaction the wall temperature should have increased. Jed and
Mizuno perform an experiment without hydrogen: the result is the same they got
with hydrogen. The conclusion is that there is still some residual hydrogen in
the reactor. In my vision this simply means they do not have the will to see
reality.
We are discussing if we are going to prepare on this experiment a paper to
submit to ICCF-19: I'm sorry, this is not conspiracy, this is the scientific
method. Maybe you are not a scientist and you are not familiar with it.
Now at MFMP they are trying to replicate the Russian experiment: how can they
hope to positively replicate a wrong experiment? Take a look of the gamma
measurement: he had a mean value of 2 events per minute. With such a value, the
Poissonian statistics that determines the photon counting tell us that we
should have roughly 18% of intervals with zero gamma detected: do you see them?
No one, so the instrument is simply broken and he measured the electrical white
noise of the broken probe, probably. It is again conspiracy? If he did not
detect that one instrument was not working why should I be convinced that the
others were working properly? We shall see, in the meantime after a couple of
years the Celani's excess heat in the constantan is still not replicated.
Conspiracy?
THE BIG CONSPIRACY AGAINT LENR! I'M THE BIG AND BLACK BOSS.
2015-01-10 14:40 GMT+01:00 Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>:
removing evidence of artifact is fraud.
don't feign to be kind.
nobody with a brain ignore that rejection of cold fusion is based on a
conspiracy theory involving thousands of actors, mostly frauding, some just
incompetent. this is the 10 ton gorilla in LENR critics.
people observing the usual mainstream position have to be informed they
observe a conspiracy theory group.
now there can be errors, but nobody with a brain can ignore that it is
impossible to explain the mass of result without a conspiracy theory or
accepting LENr reality.
now, grouthink have the ability to make the brain work in negative IQ, this
mean that the most intelligent and educated can flee from reality more deeply
than simple minds.
Nothing personal, I am tired of this kind of hypocritical understatement...
"I am only criticizing that result"
it is a tactic and each result individually is attacked with unproven
conspiracy theory, carefully not critical on itself. Divide the claims, attack
individual facts, and conquer the minds. very professional.
If you say that you believe cold fusion phenomenon is real, or probably
real until disproven, I can interpret your critics as critics.
I will accept it when you will apply some critical judgement on your
replication, like considering the artifact possible in YOUR setup, the
difference in various setup.
but I doubt you will admit that reality as do most of deniers. this mean
that only serious people, who can be very critical I observe it, can propose
critics.
this is a great problem of todays conspiracy theories supported by
mainstream, that make real critics hard to separate from pure denial.
Edmund storms in his book was clear that deniers are toxic to the discovery
of reality as they prevent sane analysis and push "circle the wagon" or "I am
tired".
this is the symptom of the "dead clock right twice a day", which give no
information.
nothing personal (I always kind when I am personal), this is what I could
say to any denier like Lewis or Hansen (take it for them), or our beloved
mindguards,...
all that is in fact coldly, rationally, a very common situation. Conspiracy
theories grow in our societies, and there is nothing exceptional in cold fusion
story.
There is also conspiracy theories in LENR constellation, that make me
laugh, and I would understand than the accused lose some of their flegme.
I blame incompetence with high ego, as the main source of that tragedy.
People like Lewis, quite competent, but much more vexed and egotic than
their great competence, pretended to be sure on what they should not. and less
competent people with even more ego and influence amplified that error, until
nothing could be step back.
and it is tragic that less and more important people became mindguard for
that individual failure, transforming the tragedy of 5-10 egotic people into a
western academic tragedy.
maybe Mizuno made an error, but your demo, the conspiracy theory behind, is
even worse than Rossi's demo, and charge of evidence is on your side given the
mass of other evidence.
sorry to compare Rossi with you.
(Rossi will survive that comparison.)
2015-01-10 12:26 GMT+01:00 Gigi DiMarco <gdmgdms...@gmail.com>:
Alain,
I'm not accusing anyone of having hidden an excel file; I'm just saying
that Jed removed that file from his archives where I found it several weeks
ago. I don't know why he removed it, maybe he could explain...
Jed says it is of no importance to the present discussion; I find it of
paramount importance. I call this, scientific democracy.
There is no cospiracy around, but only measurement data: Mizuno's data
and ours. Full stop. If you are not able to follow a scientific discussion
please feel free to be silent. When we proved that Celani was right with his
electrochemical compression at 80 bars, I do not remember you speaking of
conspiracy against skeptics...
2015-01-10 10:45 GMT+01:00 Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>:
it move to an accusation of having hidden an excel file...
conspiracy...
now my tactic is to force the people denying LENR to be clear out the
conspiracy theory they support so witness see it is huge and impossible.
conspiracy is the easy answer to things one cannot accept...
not only in science 8(
2015-01-09 21:48 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>:
Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I see that we are not communicating accurately. To quote you in
response to Alain message regarding this subject several days ago, "I will not
bother" with further communications.
I meant I would not discuss the matter over at the Italian web site.
- Jed
