Hi Frank,
Or another way of conceptualizing the differential ( B-a ) may be as elementary as using an analogy to Positive- Negative dynamics of magnetism. One's mind must be open to the role that " neutral" magnetism plays. No such thing, you may say. Frank thinks in the abstract. When so doing, expect an answer in the abstract as so eleoquently stated by him.
<   And we don't see the B-a - except
intellectually - and then it's possibly only
me and thee - as the story goes.  8-)

Consider two superb violinists with years of practice together.. they may be in a quiet room together, just the two of them with their music. No words spoken.. yet.. they carry on a conversation (communicate through their music) at an intellectual level that transcends speech. Over those hours it is possible for them to cover an abundance of topics of mutual interest.

In the past, I suggested that we await the discovery of a higher form of mathematics to " see" what is sensed intellectually , and evidenced by the observation of certain physical events ( such as cold fusion)that lead us to conclude a reality exists. My suggestion has been that some of the "physical tools" for constructing the platform for this math may already exists in " game boy software". WE await Intel's new " Viiv" computer chip and its application to another level of computing that could allow " quadratic computing" , (perhaps as close at it is possible to achieve " quantum computing"). Quadratics would allow the further exploration of certain abstract forms of math.

Richard
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At 04:39 pm 19/12/2005 -0500, hohlraum wrote:

Yes, I understand your point and should expand on mine.  I see all that
is as being continuous and it doesn't depend on what 'is' is <g>.  We
just don't see it All.


We certainly don't. "For in him were all things
created in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or
principalities, or powers." and if I may make
so bold, the Beta-atmosphere.   ;-)

We don't see the thrones, or dominations, or
principalities, or powers. Well, not unless they
choose to put in an appearence, which they don't
very often. >


BTW, just what is it that separates your Beta-atmosphere densities?
What keeps the pressure different inside versus outside?



Good question. It must be analogous to negative water pressure. i.e.
there must be a curved meniscus between the atoms of a metal say.
Whilst on the subject, Dalton is the one to blame for introducing the
idea of bonds as little sticks. This precluded the recognition of the
state within metals as being a general low pressure in the pore phase.

I know I use the analogy of ties and struts but I know it is only
a model and I do so because it makes is easier to separate out the
two types of strain energy, positive (compression) and negative
(tension).

Another way of answering your question is to see it as analogous to
osmosis. This is a deeper way of looking at things cos it entails
a dynamic equilibrium with flows in and out. (cf radiation equilibrium)

Frank




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