Jones:
I've seen recent articles about success in manipulating graphene to transition 
between conductive and nonconductive states...  it being a good dielectric 
might be in the cards... and perhaps it also depends on the orientation of the 
internal E and/or B-fields.

-mark iverson

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:10,000 Farads Graphene Supercapacitor

Just checked and the EEStor site is still up. I thought they had gone under. 
http://www.eestor.us/index.html

Zenn is apparently still active as well (Canadian- so they probably went 
through another round of stock manipulation). 

Despite the UCLA connection to Sunvault and the convincing videos - there is 
too much which is unsaid in this sales pitch. It can be argued that it is 
trickery to promote any capacitor design as "graphene" since the important 
thing for ultra-capacitance is the dielectric, no? Graphene is a conductor, so 
what is the dielectric being used with the graphene? Please do not say: 
modified barium titanate.

Obviously, graphene gets a lot of good press - "graphene fever" is kinda like 
"nano fever" of 5 years ago and hydrogen fuel-cell fever before that (Ballard 
still survives). The pump-and-dumpers of BC are on track to reinvent that same 
investment fever. 

EEStor at least did have testable material. Never mind that in a rear-ender, a 
high voltage ultracapacitor could be the equivalent of a rather formidable 
bombe, as the inspector would say. Yet --- to put this story into perspective 
... recently mentioned here on Vo was the so-called "megafarad" cap ... isn't 
that one positioned to be a two orders of magnitude bigger bombe? (not to 
mention, the technology turns out to be already 6 years old but the product is 
vaporware).

The hyperbole and "revised" data of Canadian energy stocks makes Parkhomov look 
like a choir boy... amazing the DGT could not plug in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Blanton 

SUNVAULT ENERGY INC. is pleased to announce that in conjunction with the Edison 
Power Company ("Edison") that it has successfully created the world's largest 
10,000 Farad Graphene Supercapacitor."

Building large 10kF capacitors is easy.  It's making them small that is 
difficult.  :-)

Leakage rate and structural integrity are not mentioned and are the biggest 
weaknesses in SCap design (as EEStor found out).


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