Wow...
When you say the colours faded do you mean the plate reverted to being
completely black again (i.e. its over exposed state)?

Harry

On Sun., Nov. 27, 2022, 2:58 p.m. MSF, <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> This effect was studied extensively thoughout the 19th and early 20th
> centuries, but in another field. Early researchers in photography noted the
> same effect and more in their experiments with Daguerrotype plates. A
> purposely over-exposed plate would turn very dark. If the plate was covered
> with pieces of colored glass and re-exposed to bright sunlight, the plate
> would reproduce the colors through which the light was filtered. This no
> doubt tantalized photographers with the idea of color photography, but the
> effect would eventually fade and the exposure times and light intensity
> requirements made that impractical. Further, there was no way to fix the
> image. The same effect can be demonstrated with so-called printing-out
> papers, silver chloride emulsions meant to be contact printed from
> negatives without the need for chemical development.
>
> So, basically, this is a demonstration of one field of endeavor not paying
> attention to developments (pun intended) in another. Besides, it's not nice
> to second guess Goethe.
>
> MSF
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Saturday, November 26th, 2022 at 6:41 PM, H LV <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> This is a google english translation of a german article that was
> published in December in 2021.
>
> The Ultraviolet Enlightenment
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/178aIZp1ts5J1HCvWuZCkdoDvwbzp8tm_xiPGdonvPM8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> (The original article is here
>
> https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/physik-mehr/entdeckung-des-uv-die-ultraviolette-erleuchtung-17687221.html
> )
>
> It is about Goethe and Ritter in the early 1800s when Goethe encouraged
> Ritter to look for invisible radiation beyond the violet
> end of the spectrum given that Herschel had just discovered evidence of
> radiation below the red end of the spectrum using a thermometer.
> Ritter was eventually credited with the discovery of UV light using a
> light sensitive paper.
>
> However,as the article explains he did another experiment which was
> inspired by Goethe's concept of polarity but to this
> day the results have been dismissed as an error. Goethe predicted that if
> UV light darkened the photo chemical paper, then infrared light should
> lighten the same paper. Ritter reported finding this to be the case but
> because the chemical process is irreversible subsequent scientists
> have insisted that the _observation_ of lightning must have been an error.
> Until 2021 no one had even attempted to replicate this simple experiment,
> but now there is evidence that Ritter was probably correct in his
> observation. However, a mystery remains as to why the paper should be
> lightened.
> (one chemist speculates the silver atoms are being rearranged so their
> reflectivity changes).
>
> I am posting this as another example of how some observations can be
> prematurely rejected on the basis of opinion instead of a proper follow up
> investigation. In this case the observation is more than 200 years old!
>
> Harry
>
>
>

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