I was (reputedly) one of the leading solar thermal designers in Canada. I also worked, somewhat more peripherally, with photovoltaics, proposing - as part of a team - a method of providing comprehensive PV irrigation stations for the Sahel region in Africa.

I was involved, even more peripherally, with small hydro, wind and biomass.

Most of the people I met - not all mind you - were innocent dreamers, without much business sense. But they did have some excellent technical ideas and lots of enthusiasm... as I did. It's been a while now, but I've seen all the numbers thrown up in the air by alternate energy afficionados, and frankly, I'm not impressed. Been there, done that.

I do however, believe - from my experience - that there are lots of places in this world that would benefit greatly from non-centralized electrical systems, as opposed to giant hydro schemes... Lots of places.

Solar thermal? These same places - obviously tropical - could also benefit from solar thermal, but only if the applications were absolutely correct. There are other ways of applying the principles of solar thermal other than sticking collectors on roofs or on poles in the ground.

It's a huge topic, and, again frankly, I really can't be bothered arguing how many PV modules can dance on the head of a pin. I was in the field for a time, had lots of fun, travelled to tropical countries on behalf of the Canadian government... but made very little to live on.

That's where it ends.

Philip.



At 05:25 PM 3/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Philip Winestone wrote:

Sorry - but I've been there. I was an "alternate energy" engineer quite a few years ago, specializing in solar . . .

What kind of solar? PV or direct thermal? Direct, large scale thermal plants were built 20 years ago by Luz, and they take less land area than coal or nuclear plants do when you factor in the size of the mines. They take much less land than hydroelectricity does, when you factor in the land that is submerged by the lake behind the dam. They are more efficient than PV, and about 250 times more efficient than biomass. See Strirling Energy, Sempra Energy and others. They are building a 500 MW unit and a 900 MW unit. These units do not take much land. See:

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/news/Solars%20Day%20in%20the%20Sun%20-%20WSJ%2011-17-05.pdf

Stirling claims that a solar farm 100 miles square could supply all U.S. electricity. Others have made similar claims. There are plenty of places in the Southwest desert ares where you could hide an installation as large as this -- not that you would actually put it all in one location. See:

http://www.stirlingenergy.com/faq.asp?Type=all


Wind power is inconsistent (like I said).

For many applications this does not matter.


Solar power - if you put panels on every square metre of the US - may supply lots of energy.

Panels -- meaning PV. This is the wrong approach in the U.S., with present day technology, although it is going great guns in Japan. Japan has different land use and weather parameters.


  Prohibitive cost?  Yup.

Stirling expects it will cost 10 cents per kWh in their first installations. Others estimate 6 cents. That's expensive but not prohibitive. The cost would fall to 2 cents if these things were developed on a large scale. (That is true of wind, as well.) PV electricity in Japan is now cheaper than centrally generated power, which is admittedly the world's most expensive.

- Jed



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