Jones > > > Yes. There is big conflict between using the best > dielectric medium (pure water) and then getting it to > charge easily and rapidly using conventional > techniques at low voltage. > The Zeta Potential for ultrapure water against glass is 0.155 eV. What is the Force? Glass Cylinder Joe Cell? The 12 volt battery puts about 3 volts on the metal surfaces.
OTOH CO2 leaking in will lower the resistivity of water to less than 18 Megohm-cm. Beta-Aether Force, Frank? Fred > [Original Message] > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Date: 5/6/2006 8:53:55 AM > Subject: RE: Joe Cell Theories > > > --- Frederick Sparber wrote: > > > OTOH, treating the Cell as a stacked series of > cylindrical electrolytic capacitors doesn't do much > either. Unless the approximately 0.7 square meter > Metal-Water Helmholtz Double-Layer Interface in the > Cell under low pressure boiling conditions is > generating Beta Aether-Casimir > Force-ZPE-Supercapacitor "Exploding Capacitor" OU > Effect "gases". Maybe? > > Yes. There is big conflict between using the best > dielectric medium (pure water) and then getting it to > charge easily and rapidly using conventional > techniques at low voltage. That is why the only > scenario which works for the "Exploding Capacitor" OU > Effect surely must have something to do with an > surface induction effect (capacitive coupling effect > ?) on the aether itself (the epo field). > > That is: by way of polarizing positronium and the sea > of virtual positronium which is known to exist (known > even to mainstream physics). It would be a very > temporary and transitory thing, and probably would > depend on maximizing surface contact in the cell and > micro-bubble formation - and then the expedient use of > the plasma "capacitor". > > This explanatory thread is not as far out as it may > seem - (as are most of the other possible Joe-Cell > explanations) and furthermore this is NOT "just" idle > speculation - in the sense that it is easily amenable > to proof - or at least in finding the tell-tale > signature of virtual Ps disruption - which would be > the 6.8 eV UV emission. > > The 6.8 eV value is the I.P. (ionization poetnetial) > of Ps; and this UV signature would be the tell-tale > proof that the ZPE energy level is being cohered > (disrupted) in such a putative situation. Consequently > - finding that UV signature would be the key first > step in putting this on a scinetific basis - but this > is achievable (with minimum funding). > > Unfortunately, my phone has not exactly been ringing > off the hook with parties interested in funding this > type of thing, and all indications are that the > Joe-cell is likely to remain on the far fringe of > science, pending some verifiable results. > > It's really too bad that the "orgone" thing ever came > up with this device, if it does occasionally work as > claimed - as that word alone is poisonous to > credibility, given the historical shenannigans of > Reich. > > ... all of which is curious, since orgone itself may > well be just another way of saying "mysterious UV > emission". And given the example mentioned in the > BillB essay (of the nanobe culture) there is some > reason to believe that orgone and UV ( from Ps decay) > may be one-and-the-same. > > Try convincing a mainstream physicist of that... HA! > there's the rub... they buy into virtual-Ps without > any argument, but just try to take that to the next > step - which is "extending the interface of the > virtual and the real" ... one of my favorite > pastimes... > > Jones > > > > Slight problems. > > > > The resistivity of high purity (de-ionized) water > > runs about 15 Megohm-cm at 26 C. > > > > With the cylindrical configuration of the Cell, > > unless it was filled with 30 ohm-cm > > seawater the most current attainable using a 12 volt > > battery with 1500 ohm-cm > > water (4 orders of magnitude reduction in > > resistivity) would be less > > than 1.0 ampere. > > About 2.5 amperes would be attainable by hooking all > > of the concentric > > cylinders surrounding the tubular cathode, to the > > anode instead of "floating" them. > > > > OTOH, treating the Cell as a stacked series of > > cylindrical electrolytic capacitors > > doesn't do much either. :-) > > > > Fred >
