Shrinking it you mean ;) Indeed there are many cases when the electron lives in non-integer orbits, like when it jumps between integer orbits. Admittedly such forbidden states don't last long, but long enough maybe to allow interesting reactions to occur?
Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vortex-l" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Bohr model and hydrinos (was Re: New Hydrino page posted) > OTOH Michel. > > I will concede that increasing the mass-energy of the electron enough for it > to be "absorbed" into the proton (along with creation of neutrinos) by about > 0.8 MeV to form a neutron works in the sun to form deuterons. (P-e-P ----> > D). > > Calling that a "fractional orbit" stretching it. :-) > > Fred > > Frederick Sparber wrote: >> >> First cut response, Michel: >> >> 1, Compton wavelength of the electron = h/mc = 2.427E-12 meters >> >> 2, 1/alpha (137.03) * 2.427E-12 = Orbit Wavelength = 3.3258E-10 meters >> >> 3, Orbit Radius = 3.3258E-10/2(pi) = 5.293E-11 meters. >> >> 4, Electron Orbit Velocity c/137.03 = 2.189E6 meters/second >> >> How do you get a "fractional orbit" without changing the Fine Structure >> Constant, Alpha? >> >> Fred >> >> Michel Jullian wrote. >> > >> > Indeed Robin, as you wrote some time ago, the small radii of the > hydrinos >> (shrunken H atoms) if they exist would facilitate the close encounters >> required for fusion. >> > >> > This reminds me I had promised Fred I would post a derivation of allowed >> (unshrunken) circular electron orbits radii in Bohr's semi-classical model >> for the H atom, here is one (it may not be the shortest route, >> improvements/comments welcome): >> > -------------------------------- >> > Notations (values in SI) >> > ----------------- >> > k coulombic force constant (8.99*10^9) >> > me electron mass (9.11*10^-31) >> > e electron charge (1.6*10^-19) >> > h Planck's constant (6.6x10^-34) >> > v orbital velocity >> > r orbit radius >> > n integral number (of wavelengths in orbit circumference) >> > >> > F=ma (Newton's 2nd law) >> > ---- >> > k*e*e/r²=me*v²/r >> > k*e²=me*v²*r >> > r=k*e²/(me*v²) (1) >> > >> > Bohr's postulate: orbit circumference is a multiple of the >> > electron's velocity-dependent De Broglie wavelength h/(me*v) >> > (which I view as a condition of non self-destruction of the >> > electron as a wave. Such self-destructive interference would >> > be the main obstacle to my believing in hydrinos if the wave >> > particle duality made total sense to me ;) >> > ------------------- >> > n*h/(me*v)=2*pi*r (2) >> > >> > (1) and (2) => n*h/(me*v)=2*pi*k*e²/(me*v²) >> > n*h*v=2*pi*k*e² >> > v=2*pi*k*e²/(n*h) >> > >> > (2)=> r=n*h/(me*v*2*pi) >> > r=n*h/(me*2*pi*(2*pi*k*e²)/(n*h)) >> > r=(n*h)²/(me*(2*pi)²*k*e²) >> > r=n²*(6.6x10^-34)²/(9.11*10^-31*39.4*8.99*10^9*((1.6*10^-19)²))) >> > r=n²*52.7*10^-12 m >> > >> > One recognizes the 52.7 pm base level Bohr radius so it must be right ;) >> > ----------------------------------- >> > Michel >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Robin van Spaandonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:52 AM >> > Subject: [Vo]: New Hydrino page posted >> > >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I have just put up a new Hydrino page for those who are interested. >> Please see:- >> > > >> > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/Molecular%20Hydrino%20Fusion.htm >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Robin van Spaandonk >> > > >> > > If "other people" can be denied their rights, then what's >> > > to stop someone claiming that you belong among the "other people"? >> > > >> >> > > >
