Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:



Wesley Bruce wrote:

Ok so far as I can see there is only one magnet clearly visible and all the motion is the product of fingers and the tweezers poking it. Are we sure they are legit images of the Steorn thing since there is no self motion visible in those pictures?


Is that really a surprise?

No but they did say the opposite. Note This does not make me more sceptical in fact I'm more optimistic now.


I've looked at the information on the Steorn website and have never seen anything that actually /said/ they have anything which self-runs. I know opinions here differed, and there are some ambiguous statements which one could interpret that way, but I saw nothing clear and explicit to that effect. AFAICT, all they have is something which, when driven externally, apparently produces more power on the shaft out than is applied on the shaft in. Of course, with such a device the torque varies significantly as the shaft rotates, so measuring the power in and power out can be a tad dicey.

If that were true then its a simple matter to close the loop and add a linkage that drives itsself. I can see how that would work, I just can't see the linkage. If I were them I would not show that part either. Then again there's no shot of the thing from the back or sides; that may be very important.

PS If Steorn has cracked it; half of the Vortex crew are out of a job and most of us will be sending them our CV's. or did I already do that ?


The little arm on the right is a classic escapement that allows the magnet to push the disc its mounted on a few degrees. A spring then returns it to the start position. in effect we have a retarded cycle with two springs rocking a disc back and forth in the plane of the disc, in this case one of the springs is a magnet. All that's nothing new?! If its legitimate then these images are intentionally lacking a key component. The bit that moves the escapement up and down with no external input of energy: i.e. fingers or tweezers. 1600th century clockwork. If it is that simple the worlds scientific community will have a complete and total fit. With wood, brass and twine Leanado Davinchi could have built the thing.


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