??? Look, this tubular lifter has nothing special, it just has a loose skirt 
moving under internal forces. Think of the paddle wheel having a loose axle. 
The axle will jump forward, trying to leave the boat behind, when you engage 
the clutch in "forward gear", and then will stay there as long as the boat 
pushes on its paddles. Very much the same, very prosaic.

Michel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters


> 
>> Michel Jullian wrote:
> 
>>> Harry Veeder wrote:
>>>> However, concerning the tubular lifter, I would argue that the
>>>> elevated tube when the lifter is _accelerating upwards is evidence that the
>>>> _internal forces_ don't add up to zero.
>>> 
>>> The elevated tube is merely a "deformation" due to internal forces.
> 
> 
> I think it means the weight of the elevated tube has essentially
> disappeared (although the tube's inertia remains unchanged).
> In other words, the lifter's ascending weight is less than
> its stationary weight.
> 
> Harry
>

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