Michel Jullian wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <vortex-L@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy
> 
> 
>> Michel Jullian wrote:
>> 
>>> The highly OU commercial ambient air energy pumping devices I was
>>> talking about are those residential heating heat pumps we have been
>>> discussing in the 'loop closed' thread, they commonly reach COPs of
>>> 4 (1000W out for 250W in, the excess coming from ambient air).
>> 
>> I thought this thread was a joke.
> 
> The 'loop closed' thread you mean? It was a joke indeed, I said so and I
> explained why the overall loop COP was necessarily sub unity. Still, these
> things have high COPs, much higher than what has been achieved by e.g. cold
> fusion, or even present hot fusion devices for that matter.
> 
>> A heat pump is NOT over unity.
> 
> I don't get it. You mean overunity doesn't mean a COP>1 !? Or that the
> coefficient of performance isn't the ratio of output to input energy? Or that
> COP is not a proper term for heat pumps? Or that heat pumps don't have COPS
> over unity? Or that it matters whether the excess energy comes from ambient
> air or from e.g. fusion inside the device?


COP is the ratio of output power to input power.

Harry

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