I don't know the particular experiment you mention Jones, but what I do know 
for having done extensive work on the subject is that pulsed power such as can 
be found in electrical discharges, especially sparky ones, is extremely 
difficult to measure.

I fully agree that much more of the big oil profits should go to alternative 
energy research, but I am not as certain as you are that hot fusion is dead-end 
wasteful spending. I believe it should have its chance, only other research 
should have its chance too which is not presently the case.

Michel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Negentropy - honed to a point


> 
> Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
> 
>>> However, Graneau et al. have shown that lowly water, at lest some types 
>>> of H2O, *does* have an unexplained energy component which can be 
>>> released. One of their papers also appears in "Infinite Energy".
> 
>> Since they use high voltage electrical discharges to accomplish this 
>> (AFAIK), it
>> seems to me that their results can adequately be explained by Hydrinos, 
> 
> I was not trying to explain Graneau's findings, so much as to suggest 
> that they have produced repeatable, believable results which are 
> unexplained, and greatly in need of more R&D. They think that the excess 
> energy in water is derived from solar - and that seems likely.
> 
> Instead of supporting this work, in our beloved USA -- it is deemed 
> wiser to grant big oil, like Exxon, massive tax-breaks to go along with 
> their obscene profits, and to support dead-end wasteful spending on hot 
> fusion instead. Go figure.
> 
> And any rate, if hydrinos are involved in the Graneau results, which is 
> also the most likely explantion IMHO based on what we know - then there 
> is no great conflict with your view, except that they are natural, 
> solar-derived, and brought in with the solar wind - which is why they 
> turn up in rain water, which gives the best results in that experiment.
> 
> We may never know the answer, if big-oil has its way and can keep 
> putting its minions in high office.
> 
> Jones
> 
> BTW Exxon has been posting the highest quarterly profits in history - 
> why do they need tax breaks ? How long before they too can move 
> corporate offices to Dubai to escape congressional scrutiny?
> 
> $10.71 billion for the fourth quarter of 2005 and $36.13 billion for the 
> full year. If they had been forced to pay half of that for alternative 
> R&D ... Oh never mind. It is too painful too imagine the extent of our 
> lost opportunities recently - to change the world for the better.
>

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