Jones,A simple way to capture the energy of moving water in a river is a large 
rotating capacitor type generator. A small one has been prototyped.It can turn 
as slowly as 1 rpm with very high efficiency.We have pieces of one of the 
prototypes here. It was invented locally. We could not locate any interest in 
supporting development, which seven years ago was estimated to need $2 
million.Mark> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:26:25 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: [Vo]: 700 years of OU?> > Who says monks 
don't swing?> > The "Botafumeiro" is a famous old thurible (incense burner) 
suspended > and often seen swinging wildly across the domed nave of the 
Cathedral > Santiago de Compostela, in Spain, at a rather surprising (and 
dangerous) > speed (if you are underneath it).> > Incense is burned in this 
swinging brass and silver container, mostly > for the enjoyment paying tourists 
as it holds so much that it costs 250 > Euros to fill, and the local area is 
not well-off (except for this > attraction). Spiritual edification is a fringe 
benefit.> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Santiago_de_Compostela> > 
The Botafumeiro is, in effect, a pendulum which is normally kept in > motion by 
as many as 8 monks expending very little energy, and in fact > there has for a 
long time been local talk of a wheel which will allow it > swing perpetually on 
its own (powered by angels, as they say)... or at > least until the rope gives 
out, which is every 20 years or so.> > http://tinyurl.com/g5vhg> or> 
http://www.sciences.univ-nantes.fr/physique/perso/gtulloue/Meca/Oscillateurs/botafumeiro.html>
 > Alas, like most pendulums, it is probably not OU -- instead it is just > 
very efficient device which may extract some 'extra' energy from both > gravity 
and the angular momentum of earth - and retain an incredible of > stored energy 
(torque)... figure the torque of the Botafumeiro and it is > similar to that of 
a compact automobile.> > However, of keen interest to alternative energy 
entusiasts in the > 'pendulum-plus' subject category is that it may serve as a 
bootstrapping > device -- to capture the energy of waves, or tide, or even 
turbulent > river flow at double the normal efficiency for slow moving flow. 
Here is > an example:> > 
http://energie.cnrs.fr/rapport_ACI_2004-2006/ECD032.pdf> > (go down to page 7 
or 28 for an image of what they are doing, if you do > not read French)> > 
Better yet here is an interesting video of something similar, which > 
demonstrates how one can convert a few watts into massive amounts of > torque, 
using a pendulum.> > http://home.planet.nl/%7Esintt000/RonPendulum.MPG> > ... 
and there is a thread on Hartmann's forum of the broader subject: > the Mikovic 
invention, on which these concepts are an improvement:> 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1763.360.html> > The bottom line 
situation is this: it might be feasible, using > bootstrapping of such a high 
torque, high efficiency mechanical > oscillator - to take a 'free' source of 
energy, like the flow of a > river, and instead of an expensive dam, for 
instance -- incorporate the > conversion device onto a turbulence generator 
(like a undulating > concrete water raceway) which cheap device gives you the 
same amount of > net energy as if there were a $100 million dam there, but 
without all > the disruption that dams cause and for pennies on the dollar. 
Quein Sabe?> > Now that is one swinging smoker of an alternative energy 
idea...> > Jones> 

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