Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
OrionWorks wrote:
All three of us, Stanford, the Cruncher and I believe that the web of
life was divinely ordered. I have previously made the case that, if
the earth sun system is viewed as a closed system, then the web of
life is reversing the second law of thermodynamics.
You've said it, quite frequently. That's not the same as "making the
case".
The second law can be stated either in terms of entropy or in terms of
energy; the consequences are identical regardless of the formulation.
Second law, in the "energy" formulation:
"Heat cannot spontaneously flow from a material at lower
temperature to a material at higher temperature."
What do you call sunlight verses a pile of fire wood? IMHO, the second
law is more about order, than temperature.
Alternative formulation:
"It is impossible to convert heat completely into work."
I agree
Can you present any evidence that life processes cause heat to "run
uphill"? That's what you're claiming, if you say life violates the
second law.
IMHO, the higher heat idea also applies to more ordered systems, brain
tissue being a case in point.
If life can do that, then you can make a living perpetual motion
machine, which requires no energy input from outside. Can you do that?
The living system, powers itself and repairs itself off of sunlight.
I don't think so. Last I heard you needed input from the Sun to keep
the living things on Earth in gravy.
Agreed. however the sunlight is way more diffuse than the chemical
energy of biological materials. It is way more ordered too.
There is nothing magical about the process, and nothing which
violates the laws of thermodynamics -- unless you care to present
evidence otherwise.
What about the sexual fusion process which resets the accumulated
effects of aging?
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