Hi All, 12-15-08 Will the ultimate heat death of the universe be when all the hydrogen has been converted to hydrinos and everything else fused or fizzed to iron?
Jack Smith -------------------- On Dec 12, 2008, Robin (mix...@bigpond.com) wrote: The following patent application was posted to that list: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0263758.html Quote from the patent:- "The process of the present invention is believed to be based on three hydrogen nuclei (1H and/or 2H) in a compound approaching within nuclear tunneling distance. Bringing together hydrogen nuclei to within tunneling distance (order of 0.5-2 Å) is accomplished by the collapse of a molecule. For example, the catalyst antimony with deuterium forms stibine, SbH3, or stibine-3d, SbD3, which goes to a highly condensed state by the agency of the interaction of a hydride/deuteride anion, H-/D-. As a result of this interaction, the D-or H-replaces an electron, e-. As with the muonic molecule, there is a collapse to species such as SbD3(D), SbD3(H), or SbH3(H) where the three or four N/Ds are within tunneling distance some fraction of the time in the shrunken molecule. With three deuteriums, 6Li is the predominant product. " Astute Vorts may recognize my suggestion from years ago, that Hy- might act as a replacement for the muon, allowing other nuclei to fuse. :) BTW this patent sounds like it may contain a good description of the CF process. Horace Heffner wrote: For sure. This doesn't necessarily involve hydrinos either. Robin (mix...@bigpond.com) wrote: particularly considering the requirement that two different catalysts be present, one from e.g. group III and one from group I. This would neatly explain why FP Palladium experiments using LiOD with traces of Boron in the Pd appeared to be effective. Effectively they describe Ed's NAE. IMO, the Group I metal acts as the Mills catalyst (either alone as in the case of K or combined with D as in NaD). Horace Heffner wrote: It seems to me this is just plain vanilla LENR. A heavy atom lattice is required to establish a high tunneling rate, and the lightweight lattice bound atoms are there to provide close and energetic targets for LENR. The light atoms are required for significant energy generation due to the curve of binding energy peaking with Fe and diminishing above Fe56. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_energy Adding H or D to heavy element nuclei results in an energy deficit. Energy from adding neutrons or di-neutrons to heavies (i.e. heavy lattice atoms like Pd) is comparatively small unless fissions can be triggered. Obtaining the equivalent of adding neutrons via H or D LENR requires weak reactions with comparatively low cross sections. It appears they overlooked the importance of thermal gradients to their process (it causes a high tunneling rate) or thermal cycling (permitting high loading rate followed by high orbital stressing). Nice that they don't have to worry about energy lost heating their product, i.e. COP, because their gadgets are simply inserted into a generating plant boiler fire to increase enthalpy and thus reduce fuel costs. The main cost is in rebuilding the gadgets when they stop producing heat. I don't see anything in this patent inconsistent with the Deflation Fusion model: ----- Message ----- To: hydr...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 Subject: HSG: Hydrino persistance? What is thought to happen to hydrinos released to the environment? Do they eventually absorb thermal energy and become normal hydrogen, or would it be possible to convert a significant proportion of the world's hydrogen to hydrinos? Mike Carrell wrote: Hydrinos released to the atmosphere are expecte to rise to the stratosphere as they, like hydrogen, are lighter than air. At stratopshric altitudes, they will be exposed to energetic solar radiation that may revert hydrinos to the hydrogen state. Thermal energy will not do it. it takes high energy radiation. Mills has porposed that the so-called "dark matter" postulated by cosmologists may be hydrinos created by stars, including the sun.
