On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

By the way, LNG powered automobiles are common in Japan, especially taxies. LNG is liquid at room temperature.

- Jed

You must be thinking of heavies like propane. Even at 3000 psi natural gas is not a liquid at room temperature. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas

"CNG's volumetric energy density is estimated to be 42% of LNG's (because it is not liquefied), and 25% of diesel's."

LNG at atmospheric pressure, or slightly above, boils at about −260 °F. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_natural_gas

"LNG is principally used for transporting natural gas to markets, where it is regasified and distributed as pipeline natural gas. LNG offers an energy density comparable to petrol and diesel fuels and produces less pollution, but its relatively high cost of production and the need to store it in expensive cryogenic tanks have prevented its widespread use in commercial applications. It can be used in natural gas vehicles, although it is more common to design vehicles to use compressed natural gas."

I think an LNG trucking fleet is very feasible, but the trucks would probably best be implemented as dual fuel, because LNG does not store well in truck sized containers, and continually boils off creating a hazard for statinary trucks. Excess LNG would have to be offloaded before a truck were brought out of service for a while, due both safety and economic considerations.

The following energy density chart is quite amazing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Energy_density.svg

This shows the huge potential for silicon based fuels, like silane, because they have high energy density and do not produce CO2 or any gas byproducts from oxidation. I think this kind of fuel might best be used in external combustion engines, which are also easily made multi-fuel, even solid fueled. The potential of silicon compounds has long been recognized by some, but apparently is not well known in the energy industry. See:

http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/ PROD0000000000079095.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/cuaryk

As I mentioned here:

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BigPicture.pdf

Silane (SiH4), the silicon equivalent to natural gas, can clearly be produced using hydrogen feed stock created using solar power, and is environmentally friendly, but it has all the shipping and storage problems associated with natural gas. Tetrasilane (Si4H10) boils at 84.3 deg. C. so can be shipped and stored as a liquid. One of the products of tetrasilane combustion, SiO2, is a solid and is valuable for many things, including the making of solar cells. The other principle product of tetrasilane combustion is water.

It seems to me likely a high energy density means of storing hydrogen will be found before conversion to silicon based energy storage occurs. If a Manhattan style energy research program is launched then clearly silicon and ammonia based energy storage and transportation means should still be evaluated.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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