If Jed stays away however after he has been let back in and does so despite knowing he had plenty of support. Well yes that could be considered worthy of that term, that however has not happened yet.
Essentially let's sum it up thus, Grok is/was an ass. He has lead to MR. Beaty drawing a line in the sand which Jed crossed almost certainly without any intent to do so. Bill did what he said he would do, he was not wrong to do so but it seemed to lack compassion and was likely needless except he had said what he would do. It is temporary and hopefully Jed and his ball will return soon, Jed has understandably taken it personally as I did when I was out but really that wasn't the intent of it. Ok, so where do we find ourselves? Not talking about science, instead gossiping endlessly. The main subject of this list is "Free Energy" and other "alternative" and "anomalous" physics, let's get back there. Let's discuss the nature of this, the solutions, lets get back on topic. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Mike Carrell <mi...@medleas.com> wrote: > Alexander has a crucial fact wrong. Jed did not 'take his ball and go > home'. Bill Beaty, the list moderator, expelled Jed from the list. > > I am pleased with Jed's comments below. It is factual, straightforward, as > Jed has always been. > > Mike Carrell > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Hollins" < > alexander.holl...@gmail.com> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope > > > If its actual politics that has to do with the technology and >> development of the science, thats one thing. >> >> The moment it extrapolates to world politics, ect, thats taking it a bit >> far. >> >> And Jed's response is pretty much, well, I'm taking my ball and going >> home. >> >> Sorry if i have no respect for that reaction. >> >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM, <fznidar...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Jed, we want you to come back. I enjoy your posts. I saw somthing you >>> would like when I visited the Oak Ridge science mueseum. I positive >>> exhibit >>> on cold fusion. I will post the text once I such a picture. I took of >>> it >>> into my computer. I asked the exhibition manager about it. He said >>> several people had asked him to take it down. I told him to resist them >>> and >>> keep it up. You worked to make these things happen Jed. Your efforts >>> willl >>> prove to be of historic proportion. I've been kicked down many times. I >>> gave up at periods. I am still in the game, you need to take a break >>> from suck it up and then come back. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> Snip...........message from Jed >>> >>> >>> "I miss Jed.? I hope he comes back." >>> >>> That would be up to Bill Beaty. He does not seem anxious to let me back >>> in, >>> and honestly, I am not inclined to go where I am not wanted. I did not >>> realize that people there are uninterested in the politics of cold >>> fusion. >>> Since that is my main area of expertise, I do not have much else to >>> contribute, so I don't see much point to rejoining, even if he lets me. I >>> upload announcement of new papers, but there are not many of them >>> anymore. >>> Most of the literature is out of reach, because of copyright >>> restrictions. >>> >>> It is not important. There is hardly any news about cold fusion in any >>> case; >>> the field is moribund, as it has been for years. You can read about >>> political events at Krivit's site: http://www.newenergytimes.com/ >>> >>> The only problem with that site is that many people do not want to read >>> it, >>> because Krivit has stepped on people's toes -- many of them deservedly. I >>> am >>> less inclined to do that because, frankly, I don't care what people think >>> or >>> what they are up to (other than experiments). I wouldn't bother stepping >>> on >>> most of the toes Steve stomped. I just want those people to give me >>> papers. >>> >>> "You know, when things didn't go his way at Infinite Energy, he never >>> came >>> back." >>> >>> That is completely incorrect. Gene Mallove got upset with me there >>> because I >>> said unkind things about the Correas. Gene was working closely with them. >>> See: >>> >>> >>> http://www.aetherometry.com/Electronic_Publications/Politics_of_Science/Serpents_Tooth/serpent_index.html >>> >>> Also, at that point I had nothing more to write for the magazine (and I >>> still don't) and I was busy working on LENR-CANR, mainly OCR work. A few >>> weeks before he was killed, however, Gene helped fund LENR-CANR, and we >>> were >>> talking about collaborating on other work. He did not hold a grudge for >>> long >>> and neither do I. >>> >>> After Gene died they asked me to contribute to the magazine, but I told >>> them >>> I am not interested in writing for journals published on paper. The >>> audience >>> is too small. The only way to communicate with the public in the 21st >>> century is on the Internet, in sites with unrestricted access by anyone. >>> When the subject is cold fusion, the only way is to give away the >>> information for free. Unfortunately for authors, people will not pay for >>> it. >>> That's why, for example, the books about cold fusion by Mizuno, Beaudette >>> and me available at Amazon.com sell a few copies per month, whereas >>> people >>> download hundreds of copies a week of those same book from LENR-CANR.org. >>> >>> I do not want to participate in the closed group at CMNS because it is >>> closed to the public. (Also because I do not want to hear any technical >>> secrets.) My goal is to bring people into the field and educate the >>> public, >>> not to contribute to the closed echo chamber of cold fusion. The skeptics >>> are right when they say the field is ingrown and cut off from the >>> mainstream. They are mainly to blame, but people who establish closed >>> discussion groups are also at fault. >>> >>> Since I went to the trouble to write all of this, I would appreciate it >>> if >>> you would post it to Vortex. Unless that would get you in trouble with >>> Beaty. He is someone I thought I knew, but I have sadly misjudged him. >>> >>> - Jed >>> ________________________________ >>> Refinance and lower payments online with Ditech. Visit www.ditech.comToday! >>> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. >> Department. >> > >
