Peter Gluck wrote:

I wish you are right here but the problem of reproducibility is a bit more complicated. It is about what kind of reproducibility we are speaking- and it is obvious that it is about scientific, qualitative reproducibility-in-principle. See e.g. the results in Mike McKubre's presentation p. 21 - heat excess always but very variable from 1% to 300% without an explanation- what is the reason for this variation.

You are incorrect. It is not as complicated as you think. The reasons for the variability shown on p. 21 and the failures are well known. McKubre himself described them in several lecturers and in this slide collection. Storms, Miles and others have also described some of the reasons.

The main reason is poor Pd material, such as material that will not load, or that cracks apart when load. The conditions necessary to produce the effect are shown on p. 14:

Necessary conditions:
Maintain High Average D/Pd Ratio (Loading )
For times >> 20-50 times Tau D/D (Initiation)
At electrolytic i >250-500mA cm^-2 (Activation)
With an imposed D Flux (Disequilibrium)

See also p. 18, which clearly shows: "Electrodes made from the same lot of materials (Pd) produce consistent levels of excess heat."

You have to make a clear distinction here:

To achieve a large reaction, the researchers know what the control parameters are. They know what conditions must be met. HOWEVER they do not always know how to achieve those conditions.

This is analogous to rocket scientists in the late 1950s who understood how to make rockets, understood how to control them, and knew they could put a rocket into orbit successfully . . . yet their rockets such as the Vanguard series often exploded or flew out of control. They knew what they were doing, but not very well. They needed more practice. They needed to do more experiments. They needed buckets and barrels and then truckloads of money -- which they soon got. I have no doubt that if McKubre and the others were given lots more funding, materials and people to help them, they would make good progress controlling and scaling up the reaction, just as the rocket scientists of the 1950s eventually learned to make fairly reliable rockets.

Note however, that to this day rockets often explode. Insurance rates remain very high for communication satellite launches. The Space Shuttle is still extremely dangerous, and likely to explode approximately once in 50 flights. Rockets are nowhere near as reliable as jet aircraft, fission reactors, or other high energy, large-scale technology invented in the 1940s and 50s. Perhaps if we put hundreds of billions of dollars more into rocket technology it would become reliable, but then again, perhaps not. It may be inherently dangerous because rockets are barely controlled explosions of massive amounts of chemical fuel. Rockets may be a dead-end technology.

It may be that bulk Pd cold fusion with electrolysis is also a dead end technology. I am sure it can be improved. The people at ENEA and Energetics Technology are gradually improving reproducibility, the ratio of input to output, and they are raising the absolute power levels. Progress is slow but their cathodes are far better than most of the ones from the early 1990s. Bulk Pd can be improved, but can it be made practical? How much can it be improved, at what cost? I do not know. My guess is that other materials are more promising, and are more likely to lead to practical devices. I think the best candidate is nanoparticle Pd suspended in other materials to prevent sintering (or whatever it is that causes the particles to clump together).


Cold fusion is or wants to be a source of energy not some lab curiosity so the kind of reproducibility we need is quantitative (reasonably), at mucher higher levels of energy, upscalable - it has to be technological. If we want to "sell" cold fusion.

Most experts I have spoken with believe this cannot be accomplished without huge sums of money, probably hundreds of millions of dollars. On the other hand, if the money is provided they have confidence that it can be accomplished. Other technologies, such as rockets, transistors and solid-state Aegis radar were given hundreds of millions when they were still at that the laboratory curiosity stage. It is irrational not to fund cold fusion. Withholding the funding is a political ploy by academic rivals. If we are going to succeed, we are probably going to have to overcome those politics without the benefit of a scaled up device.

Anyway, if they could scale it up or control it now, we wouldn't need funding.

It is possible that someone will find a way to control and scale up without hundreds of millions of dollars. You never know. People are making remarkable progress with nanoparticle materials with only noise-level funding.

- Jed

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