Robin,
Thank you for catching my errors, I will retreat to the "displaced"
wavelength concept as a starting point for my relativistic proposal, The
"displaced" concept IS more popular and intuitive, Although my relativistic
version of Casimir effect has no spatially displaced waveforms (vacancy) I
guess I can argue my case from a temporal "displacement" where all the original
wavelengths are still there but twisted on the time axis in a different
inertial frame to appear shorter [smaller time quanta]- What I was considering
a short cut of using the "UP-shifted" concept as a better starting point does
lose the intuitive image that a casual reader of Casimir theory would get from
Wikipedia or basic introductory text and the necessary background for that
perspective would lose any gains accomplished by showing the identical results
for the wavelengths from a perspective outside the cavity.
You caught me being just plain WRONG on E = h*frequency, I was being so careful
to keep my relativistic perspectives straight I flip flopped on Ye old
freq/wavelength and got the higher energy in higher frequency backwards - you
would think I couldn't miss that one working at an active radar site but as
Forrest Gump would say.... It happens.
I am reading your citation : Milonni Phys Rev. A, #25 page 1315 (1982). - I
don't agree with Miloni's statement that atoms don't absorb
Energy but It looks like Puthoff may have already expanded on this regarding
spontaneous emission and his atomic model where the pressure ZPE exerts on
matter is what keeps orbitals expanded and decides the ground states would IMHO
represent energy supplied to matter - So perhaps Miloni is taking the view that
ground state is already rolled into physics and can't be considered energy.
Miloni also makes the point that these two concepts appear to have similar
results. I took Puthoff a little further and posit a neo lorentzian ether that
is constantly passing thru our spatial axis at a rate we always perceive as C
like the "Zip" toy our gear works are tied to that rate of intersection -when
the rate slows the orbits shrink but we can only become aware by relative
measure.
My memory also failed me regarding the reason for a cutoff frequency in
determining total energy density - a quick trip to wiki seems to indicate one
of the reasons is that metal and even dielectrics become transparent beyond a
certain frequency and therefore shouldn't be part of the total suppression. "
at extremely large frequencies (above the plasma frequency), metals become
transparent to photons (such as X-rays), and dielectrics show a
frequency-dependent cutoff as well. This frequency dependence acts as a natural
regulator "
I recognized a similarity to your statement [snip] If a magnetic field is
caused by "pile up" of aether in front of a
moving charged body, then there should be a decrease in density behind it
[/snip] and papers on inertia by Haish and Rhuda.
I think a better analogy might be a block of ballistic gel travelling at
ballistic speed in a downpour of ballistic micro beads that pass right thru the
block. If the block bases it's time scale on the count of beads passing thru
the block then it will seem from the blocks perspective that everything is
normal BUT when we examine the block after the test we will see the beads were
passing through the block at 45 degrees and that the block was experiencing
time and velocity thru the beads at .707 of the value we perceived.
Best Regards
Fran
-----Original Message-----
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:41 PM
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Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:We have a theory: Relativistic Casimir Cavities!
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 04 May 2011 08:14:54 -0400:
Hi Fran,
[snip]
>Robin,
> I had the same original "displacement" concept until recently
> and I think it is roughly equivalent to the "up shifted" term Scott and
> Thomas introduced me to. The issue with the "displacement" concept is it
> carries with it an image of a vacant portion of space where the displaced
> wavelength used to reside.
I see this a strength, not a weakness. Note that if black holes increase
density, then you *need* a decrease in density....which leads to another
thought. If a magnetic field is caused by "pile up" of aether in front of a
moving charged body, then there should be a decrease in density behind it. :)
>While my relativistic theory doesn't exactly match either concept the "up
>shifted" concept Thomas Prevenslik first introduced me to comes from a thermal
>dynamic perspective of Casimir effect - I used to consider this the "other"
>camp for Casimir theory vs. the "displacement" camp that I was more
>comfortable with - Thomas comes at this from a perspective of thermal
>dynamics and will argue the plates are not "pushed" together and that ether
>doesn't need to exist to explain the effect, he explains the effect as an
>imbalance created by "up shifting" causing the plates to self attract.
Milonni wrote a paper that was based on attraction. I think this is in Phys.
Rev. A, #25 page 1315 (1982). You may find it of interest.
>Although my "relativistic" concept now represents a new 3rd option/camp I
>chose
>to refer to the "up shifting" version as the alternative because it already
>deals with what I consider a misconception of there being a "vacancy" - the
>energy summation is still reduced because energy content reduces with
>wavelength
Do you mean "increases with increase in wavelength", or "increases with decrease
in wavelength"?
>until some cutoff frequency beyond which it is meaningless to integrate,
>therefore an up shifted spectrum will also sum to a lower energy total. For a
>while I just went with the idea that the vacancy got filled in with shorter
>wavelengths
Note that because E = h*frequency, shorter wavelengths (higher frequency)
represent more energy.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
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