This appears to have been a comment by someone who kind of missed the
point, which is this:
If the steam quality is bad or the thing is spitting a lot of water,
then the amount of "real" excess energy involved is smaller, and a fake
becomes easier.
In principle, if the calorimetry were bolixed badly enough it could
account for all the excess energy even with a dud reactor. However,
since the electric heater shouldn't have been able to heat the cooling
water above 60C, and the output temperature was about 100C, we can
safely conclude that if it's not legitimate, something in addition to
wet steam must have been used to fake it. Otherwise we're short at least
300 watts.
The enthalpy of the steam would have to be negative for it to entirely
account for the temperature measurements, if the reactor were generating
no power.
On 11-06-21 06:12 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
hello,
here is interesting comment from http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer
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Cesar Pinheiro:
A comment in this page (
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece
) deserves merit to improve the tests.
I don't know if testing the water was done before, but needs to be
done if not yet.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Hydrogen peroxide, H2O2, is a substance that can be dissolved in water
with any concentration. It can easily be catalyzed to decompose into
water, oxygen and 0,196 MJ of heat per mol. This liquid looks very
much like water and has no noticeable odour.
Test the water
Anyway, It is a good idea to test the water for additives, if this has
not allready been done....but I assume the professors at Bologna have
thought of this allready.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a good reminder how easy it is to fake up such a short black
box demonstrations. Really all you need is some cleverly hidden power
source. That H2O2 is good example of variety of possible methods how
to fake this thing, if that is the purpose. Right now, there is only
word from about a dozen people, who has the first hand knowledge. But
it is just a word. Although I think that faking a word is far more
difficult than faking a demonstration.
This is very much of the reason why I am very much of disappointed on
this steam issue discussion, because it fails to see the point of
demonstrations. People seem to fail completely to realize, that there
are far more easy ways to fake up demonstrations. And there are dozens
of them! This steam faking is not among them, because as it is clearly
shown by rossi and levi, criticism just fails in the very basics. Like
everyone can see when they are boiling water in the kettle.
Horse pucky. There is nothing at all which was "clearly shown" about the
steam in the experiments done by Rossi, Levi, and Galantini.
And as discussed at length on this list, if the big Cat was actually
putting out 15 kW of power, it would have been very difficult to fake
it. There are certainly not "dozens" of "easy" ways to fake it. You
don't get that kind of energy by simple stuff like pre-warming the
boiler, or stuffing it with gasoline and platinum! A fake is only
plausible if the *actual* excess power was much smaller than what was
claimed.
They've never shown their steam measurements. Galantini has talked about
it but not one single number, except the temperature, has ever come from
him, even when he was claiming to answer the critics who said the steam
didn't seem all that dry. (An explanation for his behavior would be
interesting.)
–Jouni
