I hope for the safety of the participants an automatic safety pressure relief valve is in the system, preferably located right next to and right before the drain cut-off valve. It appeared to me the prior test showed signs of a flow restriction somewhere within the E- cat, a restriction that closed with higher temperature, and that the reduced flow reduced the water cooling effect and therefore caused water stored within the E-cat to boil. As the flow is reduced the pressure head to the pump is increased, thus further reducing flow, creating a feedback loop. If true, then this alone is dangerous. It is even more dangerous if warm or hot water will be fed back into the E-cat.

It is critical that the water *flow* and temperature into the E-cat be measured in the primary circuit. Now that warm or hot water will be fed back into the E-cat this is even more true. Comparatively fast dynamics may develop. This affects both safety and the quality of the calorimetry, and the ability to interpret results. The new E- cat, with a double layer of lead and steel pressure vessel, has a large thermal mass. If a momentary burst of steam occurs, overwhelming the condensing heat exchanger, i.e. returning some steam, then a massive pressure buildup in the primary circuit is feasible. An emergency pressure relief value in the primary circuit itself is needed, or simply a vent and reservoir prior to the input pump to insure water is returned at atmospheric pressure.

A pressure transducer with alarm would not be a bad idea. If I were present I would pay a lot of attention to a pressure gauge - so I would have some chance of being able to leave before an event.

It would seem to be common sense that preliminary tests would be made before a large group of scientists travel a long way only to watch.

Manually read accumulated flow water meters are inexpensive. You would think at minimum the accumulated flow would be directly measured in both circuits as a backup to any instantaneous flow measurements.

I earlier provided references for sources for EU kWh meters. They are not very expensive. Given the highly variable duty cycles of the E-cat power supplies, a kWh meter recorded at least every 10 to 20 minutes, and at the time of any control events, is essential for any credibility, as you note. A Clarke-Hess meter, though very expensive, is of course the gold standard, because it picks up the power in spikes, but is not essential if spikes are filtered.

You would think there would be companies, agencies, or individuals willing to donate quality instrumentation for a test like this. There are no doubt companies like EarthTech International that would even do all the calorimetry for free.

I hope good and continuous video taping is done.



On Oct 2, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

The upcoming test of Rossi's reactor is described here:

http://pesn.com/ 2011/09/26/9501920_NobelPrize_Laureate_to_Test_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat/

This says there will be a primary steam loop, a heat exchanger, and a secondary flowing water loop. Rossi confirmed this in his blog. This also says the reactor will be run in heat after death mode for extended periods. The article has various other details. I discussed it with some of the people who will participate. They confirm these details. So if things go according to plan, this will be much better than previous tests. It may not be definitive but it will be an important step forward.

I made some suggestions to the participants such as:

They should record all parameters in a single computer, so that the time stamps correlate. They say they will do this.

They should record watts, not just amperes, and they should record the flow rate, for goodness sake. I believe they will do this.

They should have the paper edited by a native speaker of English before publishing. They will do this.

They should confirm all parameters with hand-held instruments, for example, they should measure the flow with a flow meter and also a stopwatch, a bucket and a weight scale. I sure hope they do this.

They should report the make and model of every instrument used in the test.

I have strongly recommended they publish the complete dataset in a spreadsheet, similar to the spreadsheet Lewan uploaded recently. No response yet, but I hope they will do this.


In my opinion the totality of the evidence from the previous tests has been convincing, especially the February 18-hour test with flowing water and the recent test with 30 minutes of heat after death. Convincing, yes, but I also agree with critics who say these tests have been sloppy, and poorly reported. When I say "poorly reported" I mean, for example, they should have listed the make and model of all instruments, as I told them. I felt silly saying this to professional scientists. This is teaching grandma how to suck eggs. In high school in college you learn that all technical papers should include the make and model. But they did not do this, so I thought I should tell them.

To give another example, they should have reported the readings from the flow meter in the 18-hour test. It appears to be an analog, non-electronic meter. In that case, they should have reported the instantaneous readings every 10 minutes, and the final cumulative reading. Of course it is better to use an electronic meter and record the data along with input power and temperatures every minute. The instruments typically measure these values thousands of times a second, before recording an average value periodically, one to five times per minute. There is no need to record more frequently than this in a test that lasts an hour or longer.

- Jed


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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