Both Harry and Robert are missing Jed's point... In order for their thermos analogy to be a proper analogy, it would have to say this:
Take a Thermos bottle and insert a thermocouple about 1/3rd of the way into it. Pour in boiling water to fill up the thermos to 1/2 way. The steam generated from the boiling water causes the TC to increase its temperature reading. Give the thermocouple about 5 minutes to stabilize. What is going to happen to the TC readings from now on, even as the boiling continues? If you want, pour some more boiling water, perhaps thru a tube so you don't touch the TC, and see if the TC readings increase significantly. Jed (via Newton) is saying that the TC readings will not increase significantly as seen in the E-Cat. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:17 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Please stop making unsupported, physically impossible assertions about stored heat Pour some boiling water into a thermos. For how long does the water continue to boil? Harry On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Robert Leguillon <robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Jed, > Don't miss the fundamental argument of heat storage. > Great care was taken to insulate the E-Cat, and keep heat from escaping. If > you think that this is impossible, I have an experiment for you. Make a > scalding hot 1/2 cup of coffee. Put it into a Thermos. See how long it > takes to cool. > Repeat the experiment with a larger volume of coffee. > People are saying that 20 liters of boiling water in a container > specifically designed to hold heat, surrounding large hunks of metal > exceeding 124C (after all, they must be hotter than the water to heat it) > has stored energy. > Rossi, in one of the videos or his blog (can't remember) said there was > about 20 liters of water. At .91 s/g flow rate, it would take more than 6 > hours to replace the water in the E-Cat. > Think eye-dropper of cold water into a scalding hot pot. > You come across as demeaning when you dismiss these arguments for "violating > the laws of physics." > The only temperature increases that you are seeing are on the secondary, > which necessarily must be incorrect. More than likely, HH is right, and the > changes seen are the results of slugs of hot water overflowing the E-Cat. > The measurements at the secondary MUST BE incorrect. If the measurements > are correct, the E-Cat would run dry and the temperature would have to rise. >
