I'm just interested in what kind of unpowered system can use insulation to 
increase its temperature after the power has been shut off. 

It seems to me Jed has a point. 



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On Oct 17, 2011, at 21:37, Robert Leguillon <robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:

> Mr. Rothwell never attacked me personally. He merely labeled all remaining 
> skeptics as ignorant/blind/foolish/etc. I think that there is still room to 
> question the results, and I'm certainly not the only one. I think that the ad 
> hominems can stifle open communication, and I thought that they did not have 
> place here.
> Now, in questioning the thermocouples, I'm apparently violating the laws of 
> physics and
> without a 7th grade education. A public forum should be a safe environment 
> from ad hominems, but maybe I misunderstood. 
> I may not have a "degree in Japanese", but I was studying quantum mechanics 
> at Fermilab while still in high school.  Nevertheless, I'll take a back seat, 
> or "get out of the kitchen" if this is how you guys cook.
> 
> Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11-10-17 03:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Robert,
>>>> 
>>>> You state:
>>>> 
>>>> You [Mr. Rothwell] may disagree, and now be 100% convinced, but it's your
>>>>> personal attacks that are troubling.
>>>>> 
>>>> Where has Mr. Rothwell attacked you personally?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, if Robert is claiming that there was no energy generated, then the
>>> item from Jed which he quoted would apply to him, and that sure sounds like
>>> an ad hominem to me:
>>> 
>>> "Skepics who claim that ... there was no energy generated ... are ignorant.
>>> They lack 7th grade knowledge of physics."
>>> 
>>> That is not an attack on the arguments.  That is an attack on the skeptics,
>>> themselves.  Jed has personally attacked /all/ "Rossi skeptics", it would
>>> seem.
>>> 
>> 
>> It would not be an attack on Robert if Robert is, in fact, in the 7th grade.
>> He might be. Or his science education may have ended then.
>> 
>> There are many people who have no knowledge of science beyond junior high
>> levels. I have met some high and mighty Wall Street investment bankers
>> interested in cold fusion who would not know the Second Law of
>> Thermodynamics if it bit them on the butt.
>> 
>> Such people are common in the U.S., and always have been. Read Mark Twain
>> and you will see.
>> 
>> Being ill-educated it not dishonorable. What is dishonorable is to refuse to
>> educate yourself more; to challenge your assumptions; or to perform a simple
>> test in the kitchen to see what happens to hot water in a poorly insulated
>> metal vessel in 4 hours.
>> 
>> I am pretty sure this is junior high level material because somewhere I have
>> a junior high physics textbook, in Japanese. I recall this kind of thing was
>> covered in it. Granted, their classes tend to be more advanced than ours.
>> Anyway, I can't find it.
>> 
>> - Jed

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