Dave, Your comments are a good reason to download and scan or read the free book by Kane.
EMF is far more dangerous than is generally realized. This is hard science. Kane is no longer living. A concerned individual made the book available free as it became very difficult to obtain. I would hope LENR is thoroughly vetted for safety and suspect it will be forced to be by opponents. That is one reason the possibility of a non-nuclear Ni-H reactor is of such importance. And also why magnetic generators, also thought to be impossible by most scientists and engineers, may prove of great utility. See Cheap Green on the Aesop website below for a bit about one attributed to Hans Coler that surfaced in Germany prior to WWII. It is the subject of a recent paper by Cyril Smith that can be found at http://chavascience.com/papers/the-coler-devices Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax ________________________________________ From: David Roberson [dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought It should be noted that the fire fighters association merely demand that proof of no harm be submitted before they allow towers to be co located to their facilities. This is not the same as having proof that they are a hazard. The same logic could be used to eliminate street lighting at night or prevent AC power from being sent to homes and for other uses. No one has proved that these are not harmful since it is supposed to be dark at night, and the electromagnetic fields associated with power transmission are far stronger than the RF reaching people at ground level. Of course cars should be banned because they clearly are dangerous to people. The list goes on and on as we assume various risks to living. You should realize that if the same criteria is applied to LENR, it will never be allowed in public places. Who would be capable of guaranteeing that it is totally impossible for harm to come from the use of these devices? We need to have rules that are based upon good common sense and the best current science, not emotion. Dave -----Original Message----- From: pagnucco <pagnu...@htdconnect.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought Adrian, Your concern is shared. Notice that fire fighters resist cell tower placement on fire stations - PACTS - Firefighters BAN cell towers on fire stations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FokZLeh6ILg INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE FIGHTERS DIVISION OF OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH, SAFETY AND MEDICINE Position on the Health Effects from Radio Frequency/Microwave (RF/MW) Radiation in Fire Department Facilities from Base Stations for Antennas and Towers for the Conduction of Cell Phone Transmissions The International Association of Fire FightersÂ’ position on locating cell towers commercial wireless infrastructure on fire department facilities, as adopted by its membership in August 2004 (1), is that the IAFF oppose the use of fire stations as base stations for towers and/or antennas for the conduction of cell phone transmissions until a study with the highest scientific merit and integrity on health effects of exposure to low-intensity RF/MW radiation is conducted and it is proven that such sitings are not hazardous to the health of our members. http://www.iaff.org/hs/Facts/CellTowerFinal.asp Some years ago, I was in a biological physics lab where the experimenter pointed out effects on plant growth of low-to-high frequency em/rf radiation. However, he stated that companies who would be adversely affected by restrictions on em-radiation keep scientists on retainer who quickly issue rebuttals to any study that raises public concern. -- Lou Pagnucco > > I see it's hard to draw a response from the vortex crowd if you're not a > long time list member. Well, I've been lurking for 2 years now, diligently > reading what all the open minds here have to say, so I know I'm not the > first first-time poster to be ignored. I don't feel offended by this since > I think it's a reasonable reaction to interact mostly with those who have > already established some kind of presence here. Additionally, or maybe > primarily, the possible reason for silence was the lack of a compelling > argument in my post as to why someone would want to spend/kill some time > watching one video over so many others waiting to be seen. > > But dammit, Mark Goldes, who's been around for a while also referenced > this video (similarly without response) in the recent Butterflies thread. > > > Really, though - the movie makes a strong case for electromagnetic fields > interfering with the basic process of life. I pretty much guarantee that > you haven't heard the argument put forth towards the end of the movie as > to why "we should care". It would be good to see some conversation come > out of this - either to call BS or to back up the claims. It's funny > though, one of the points made in the video is that it's typically the > "engineer" types (typical vortex member?) who are called upon to give > their opinion on the effects of the man-made electromagnetic spectrum the > use of which has grown exponentially over the last 50 years. According to > the movie, these types generally don't give much thought to the biological > impact in their work. > > > -- Adrian > > > Hmm, maybe it was just because I didn't make the link click-able. Here it > is then: > Resonance - Beings of Frequency > http://vimeo.com/54189727 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Adrian Sampaleanu <asam...@yahoo.com<mailto:asam...@yahoo.com>> > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>" > <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>> > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 11:46 AM > Subject: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be > doing more personal harm than previously thought > > > Hi all, > > This didn't get through on my first attempt. It does look kind of > spam-ish, I guess, but it was triggered by the other thread on EMP > missiles. >
