Something is wrong with JR's plan. If all of the fuel goes away, what is left for the next cycle? Operation of a device that eats these gases would be far more than one that uses relatively cheap gasoline.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 5:59 pm Subject: [Vo]:Papp's gas mixer/purifier A post from 'k c dias' So Axil, Are you saying that you are onboard with the idea that Papp's secret is the combination and formation of super-atom clusters as I floated out to the group in this post? http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659&pid=10936#pid10936 If we all have enough imagination to believe that the Papp engine is real for some mysterious reason, then why can't we go ahead and believe in a mysterious gas process that would cluster the gas atoms together to substantially reduce the gas mixture volume (lets say 100 to 1, plus or minus 50). It is this pre-processed, pre-shrunk - clustered, whatever gas that is put in the cylinders at 1 atmosphere and ignited. If that gas expands 100 times, to produce 100 atmospheres of pressure for the down stoke, then now we are beginning to talk about a system that will produce the type of torque the dyno tested engine did. I think our scammer boy JR has, unknowingly, created this gas shrinking process. Again, here is the link: http://dimensionalbliss.com/2011/08/06/plasmergs-anomaly-defies-scientific-explanation/ Of course JR's powers of observation are so poor, that this is what he said about the event when cross examined by a spectator: Unknown - Is your fuel all gone? Rohner - The fuel is all gone it sucks the balloon into the tube. Unknown - When you open it up, there is no more fuel in that chamber? Rohner - Consider for a moment what has to happen for the balloon to get pulled into the tube. It has to become a vacuum. It is all gone. K C Dias: "It is all gone" Really??? Perhaps it just contracted by a factor of 100. Come on folks, this is the missing part of the puzzle! kcd A responce from Axil as follows: The second Papp reaction design: noble gas explosion, seems to be consistent with the concept of noble gas clustering. And yet the things that Papp did in his flavor of his technology implies behavior related to noble gas clustering that I did/do not think was/is possible. For me for example, the basic idea behind his mixer/purifier looks like Papp is dealing with noble gas clustering. ionizes each noble gas in turn and builds noble gas clusters by adding each gas type to a combined cluster combination hybrid. When all the five gases are complete, Papp moves this hybrid cluster collection to a mix tank. This storage of the gas mix in a tank for later use implies that the noble gas hybrid cluster is stable over a very long timeframe if not permanently. When talking in the Papp jargon, mixing gases really means pre-formulating noble gas cluster/gas mixes. Furthermore, the volume of the gases that comprise the noble gas cluster mixes may be substantially reduced because of a phase shift of some substantial fraction of the noble gases to a pseudo solid to form a “solid/gas mix” noble gas formulation. Volume reduction may have been seen in the condensation of noble gases in the J. Rohner incident described as follows: http://dimensionalbliss.com/2011/08/06/p...planation/ This theory of long lived noble gas clustering can be experimentally shown in the Popper as follows: Experiment description. Add a volume of noble gases to the Popper so that the relatively high pressure of the gases reaches N (say five) bar. Measure and record the pressure of the gases in the Popper. Run the popper for a time by applying spark discharge. Now measure and record the pressure of the gases in the Popper. If the pressure of the gases has been reduced, noble gas clustering may have occurred during the ionization produced by the discharge of the sparks while the Popper was in operation. If a pressure decrease is observed, periodically re-measure the pressure of the noble gas mix contained in the Popper to ascertain if clustering is permanent or temporary having a finite limit to the lifetime of the cluster.
