Unless it breaks a different law of conservation of energy. On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
> Robin, do you actually have to check to see if it gets cooler? Would it > not be necessary for this to happen if heat energy is taken out of the > system and put into the battery in the form of chemical energy? > > The COE would force the cooling unless I am mistaken. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Does This System Beat Laws of Thermodynamics? > > In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:03:07 -0500 > (EST): > Hi, > [snip] > >Robin, you are right, I was afraid that I would break that nasty > >thermodynamic > law and become confined within a black hole. > > > > > >I was actually hoping that the solar cell argument would help me understand > >why > the heat engine limitations exist. Now, I am a bit confused. It is just too > easy to break that rule and get away with it. I was hoping for a good > challenge. > > > > > >So why not just harvest the heat energy around us and have that perpetual > motion machine that we would all desire? All we have to do is to come up > with a > process that converts the local IR into DC and be on the way. > > > > > >Something is wrong with this picture unless the patent office needs to > reconsider their ban on patents that suggest perpetual motion. Maybe not > after > a little consideration, sooner or most likely much later all of the heat will > be harvested and the patent office wins. No perpetual motion is possible. > > I think that the minimum energy that will activate a solar cell is in the > infra-red, though it obviously depends on the bad gap of the semiconductor > used. > > If you can get hold of one with a small band gap, it might make an interesting > experiment to see if it gets colder in an insulated closed container while > charging a battery. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
