I have been attempting to understand if or why there is a difference in the 
behavior of high frequency photons as compared to those that we can easily 
measure.  One problem that crops up frequently is that the energy of these 
waveforms travels outwards at the speed of light relative to us the observer.  
We are limited to being able to detect the time changing fields with 
instruments at a location removed from the source to determine the frequency of 
the signal.  According to special relativity, we are unable to catch up with a 
moving wave and freeze it in position to actually measure the distance between 
field peaks.  No matter how fast we move, the wave will always escape from us 
at the speed of light.  This is true even if we are traveling in a direction 
that is backwards relative to the forward directed wave front.


We do know that the Doppler effect will cause the frequency that we measure to 
vary with our relative motion compared to the source of the radiation.  And, 
since any time we measure the speed of light in our frame of reference it reads 
the same, the wavelength must be modified along with the apparent frequency.


It becomes tricky when the original source and us calculate different length 
measurements between field peaks depending upon our relative motion.  Perhaps 
the measurement concept is not valid.  Is it possible that we can not 
effectively freeze time and then move along the now static electric and 
magnetic field patterns to determine the distance between peaks?  Considering 
that we can not ever actually catch up with the expanding fields in any know 
manner, then this might be a limitation that is placed upon us by relativity.  
The best that we can do is to measure the time changing fields that are passing 
through our reference frame.   Then we can determine the frequency of the wave 
by our local clock and it is accurate as far as we can prove.


I can see that there are a lot of interesting implications that arise in the 
pursuit of these concepts.


Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2013 12:47 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon


On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:43 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:



What is the currently accepted size of a photon that behaves as a particle?  If 
one of these passes through our very large slit experiment how would it be 
detected at one location as with light photons?  Could it be detected over a 
large area of the impact region with say a dipole antenna?  Has anyone given 
this concept much thought?





I was thinking about this myself.  If you contrast a photon involved in the 
transmission of a radio wave with one that is in the gamma ray range, there is 
an obvious qualitative difference from our frame of reference.  The gamma 
photon is like a tiny bullet, and the radio wave photon is like a large, and 
enlarging, bubble.  Despite the clear qualitative difference, I am led to 
believe this difference is entirely relative to the physical and temporal 
dimensions of the frame of reference.  To an observer far larger and more slow 
moving than the radio wave photon, I suspect that photon will interact with its 
surroundings like the gamma ray photon does in our world, and to an observer 
much smaller and more quickly moving than the gamma ray photon, the gamma 
photon will behave in the manner of the radio wave photon in our frame of 
reference.


If we take away this kind of relativity of the temporal and physical frame of 
reference for photons, this would appear to imply a kind of absolute position 
in the midst of a spacetime otherwise characterized by special relativity.


Eric



 

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