On Fri May 17 Ed Storms said [snip] Your description proposes that a certain size gap blocks a fraction of the radiation coming from a particular direction. In other words, the photons are stopped in the gap and their energy heats the walls of the gap. The other photons pass right through the material without interacting or producing a force.[/snip]
Hi Ed, There is no heat generated by an empty cavity, it is only when gas atoms passing through this cavity environment react with the quantum effect of the walls and each other that anomalous energy is released. When Jones cited the importance of DCE it also underlined the importance for changes in casimir force to result in any net energy capture... Many people, myself included, are convinced that this translation between different geometries must be accomplished in an asymmetrical manner to rectify any energy..if atoms come in, translate to different geometries and then exit the NAE without any interactions / reactions there will be no energy release. In the MACRO world it would be silly to construct a device that performs half a cycle at no gravity and then lands on a planet to perform the other half cycle because you are doing the work with your ships propulsion system. OTOH in the NANO world we are suggesting a way to exploit HUP/gas motion to perform equivalent propulsion while exploiting gravity warps created by quantum effects /geometry. We don't have to wait for the slow square law of a gravity well to accomplish chain because this geometry trumps the square law and creates breaches in the isotropy that equate to sudden jumps in a particles position within the gravity well..or actually the gravity hill in this case as we outside the cavity represent the bottom of a well even if we were free floating in space. Supression allows us to warp space time negative relative to zero gravity. My point being we can create or self assemble a bulk powder device with conditions like my silly analogy of half cycles using a spaceship without supplying any propulsion energy..the reacting gas atoms only have to move between different breaks in the isotropy and that motion is supplied for free by HUP. Fran -----Original Message----- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl) Thanks Mark, this is making more sense. But I have a few more questions. I'm sure all of these issues have been addressed. I assume the radiation is normal photon radiation, but at a higher frequency than is normally encountered. When such radiation passes through a material, the radiation is either absorbed, creating heat in the material, or it passes through without any change in energy or any effect on the material. Your description proposes that a certain size gap blocks a fraction of the radiation coming from a particular direction. In other words, the photons are stopped in the gap and their energy heats the walls of the gap. The other photons pass right through the material without interacting or producing a force. What produces the force? The photons that are captured by the gap pass through the material without interacting until they reach the gap. Only at the gap is their presence felt by the material, but in the form of heat energy. For a force to be felt by the material, the photons must interact and transfer momentum. Does this mean all vacuum photons change direction when passing through a material and the gap simply removes a momentum vector such that a net force remains perpendicular to the gap? If this is the explanation, we have still another assumption - a photon can bounce off an atom without changing its energy (frequency) and in the process transfer momentum to the atom while the photon goes in a different direction. Normally, a photon interacts with an electron, sending it in a different direction but at the same time ionizing the atom to which the electron was attached. Why does this process not occur when the vacuum photons interact with matter? Ed Storms On May 17, 2013, at 11:22 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > Ed: > Two things... > > 1. I don't think Fran's explanation adequately explained the Casimir > effect... (sorry Fran). > Theory posits that the vacuum is made up of almost an infinite range > of > frequencies (some have proposed a cutoff frequency, probably > approaching the > Plank frequency). Closely spaced, parallel conducting plates will > ONLY > exclude vacuum frequencies LARGER than the spacing between the > plates. This > is what creates the unbalanced forces which want to push the plates > together. All vacuum frequencies are pushing on the outside > surfaces of the > plates, but a limited range of frequencies are between the plates, > so forces > pushing plates apart is less than outside forces pushing plates > together. > This effect only becomes significant for very small plate separation. > > 2. Empirical evidence for the Casimir effect is now fairly well > established, > and has been tested by several groups, including Steve Lamoreaux > from your > old stomping ground of Los Alamos. It has also become a practical > issue now > that nanotechnology has reached the commercialization stage. The > following > is from the Wikipedia article: > ------------- > One of the first experimental tests was conducted by Marcus Sparnaay > at > Philips in Eindhoven, in 1958, in a delicate and difficult > experiment with > parallel plates, obtaining results not in contradiction with the > Casimir > theory,[22][23] but with large experimental errors. Some of the > experimental > details as well as some background information on how Casimir, > Polder and > Sparnaay arrived at this point[24] are highlighted in a 2007 > interview with > Marcus Sparnaay. > > The Casimir effect was measured more accurately in 1997 by Steve K. > Lamoreaux of Los Alamos National Laboratory,[25] and by Umar > Mohideen and > Anushree Roy of the University of California at Riverside.[26] In > practice, > rather than using two parallel plates, which would require > phenomenally > accurate alignment to ensure they were parallel, the experiments use > one > plate that is flat and another plate that is a part of a sphere with > a large > radius. > > In 2001, a group (Giacomo Bressi, Gianni Carugno, Roberto Onofrio and > Giuseppe Ruoso) at the University of Padua (Italy) finally succeeded > in > measuring the Casimir force between parallel plates using > microresonators.[27] > --------------- > > -Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 9:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Edmund Storms > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl) > > Thanks for the description Fran. Let's focus on one subject at a > time, in > this case the Casimir effect. > > While you use and value theory, I see no value in a theory unless it > fits an > observation. So, let's look at the Casimir effect in this context. > The > evidence for the theoretical idea called the Casimir effect is based > on a > force being measured between two slabs of material that form a > narrow gap > between them. The assumption is that the material blocks the vacuum > energy > from entering the gap. As a result, more force is pushing inward than > outward. Such a force results from all atoms in the material being > affected, > not just those atoms you might identify as part of a quantum process. > > This model assumes the material blocks the vacuum radiation. > However, such > blocking has no justification. If no blocking or only partial blocking > occurred, the measurements would have no relationship to the proposed > theory. Yet, people carry on as if this measurement supports the > theory. > This looks like an idea that is accepted only because it was > expected based > on an assumption - the assumption being that energy exists in vacuum > that is > blocked by matter. As with all ideas, anything can be explained with > a few > assumptions and the mathematical tools that are available, whether the > effect is real or not. That is why the initial assumptions have to be > correct. > > Let's go one step further. Let's assume energy does exist in the > vacuum, > which I agree is likely to be the case. This energy will > obviously have many effects. The question is: What are the effects? > If the energy is blocked by matter, then it can not get into > materials and > affect any process that takes place inside of any container or > inside of any > material, such as radioactivity as you proposed. If matter is > transparent, > the radiation can affect behavior inside of containers but not > produce the > Casimir effect. If matter is opaque, the Casimir effect would work, > but > nothing inside of a container or solid material could be affected by > the > radiation. In other words, the idea seems to have a logical > conflict. How > is this conflict resolved? > > Ed Storms > > > On May 17, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> Vacuum energy can never be totally blocked by Casimir geometry or >> anything physical, even an ideal metal with optimum geometry won't >> totally block vacuum energy since it needs to permeate all matter >> in a >> Wave Structure of Matter kind of way -cant have matter [a persistent >> waveform / canoe stuck in the waterfall] without this medium passing >> through our plane. All matter even at the smallest subatomic scale >> has 8 sides, 6 spatial and 2 that we call temporal. >> Relativity teaches us that a spaceship can travel along this temporal >> axis without being aware of the difference to a stationary frame >> until >> comparing for time dilation upon return. We are in effect, a 3D ant >> farm where the glass separates us from past and future but vacuum >> radiation fills the entire 4D void. My neo Lorentzian posit is that >> whatever rate these virtual particles/ vacuum wavelengths from the >> void transgress through our 3d ant farm plane we will always perceive >> locally as C. We will locally see the full spectrum of vacuum >> wavelengths whether we are stationary at a spaceship approaching C or >> a tiny hydrogen atom inside a vacuum suppressed cavity. I am >> convinced >> that whenever scientists talk about experiments where they suppress >> certain vacuum wavelengths/ virtual particles in a lattice it is >> actually dialation/ Lorentzian contraction they are observing. HUP >> can >> be envisioned as virtual particles from this void growing into one >> side of our ant farm plane and then contracting out the other side at >> whatever rate this medium happens to be passing thru..and these >> virtual particles push matter randomly in every direction to make >> room >> for their passage -jitter. >> Puthoff refers to a "vacuum pressure" when these virtual particles >> encounter matter and this interaction being the clock works behind >> ZPE >> and the ground states upon which physics /periodic chart is based. I >> think radioactivity and pyrophoricity are examples where this >> interface is less stable but already normalized / rolled into our >> science while Casimir effect will allow for a new science that >> Puthoff >> refers to as vacuum engineering. My pet theory remains that this new >> science will allow for the presently considered unusable energy of >> HUP >> / gas motion to be exploited. >> >> >> From a temporal perspective our physical universe is a flat ribbon >> [ant farm] where even the subatomic matter of molten metals in the >> earths core are all equally exposed to the time axis, as the virtual >> particles pass thru they impart ground state energy to all physical >> matter and are responsible for all our physical laws at different >> scales. I like to consider the atomic scale as the difference in >> vacuum pressure on the nucleus and electron where the well between is >> created by this moving sea of virtual particles passing through our >> plane where more pressure is exerted on the nucleus and leaves the >> electrons' attraction to forever chase the nucleus thru time. >> >> Casimir effect is on a different scale and needs quantum effects but >> IMHO it employs the same sort of relativistic methods to suppress the >> vacuum. The formula makes it clear how the energy is proportional to >> surface area and the cube of the spacing between suppression >> boundaries.. a good analogy is the venturi effect where buildings act >> as sails opposing the flow / creating pressure on outside surfaces >> while the gap between buildings tries to alleviate the pressure and >> "virtual particles" rush to exit the time axis via the spatial cavity >> created by the geometry. Effectively accelerating time on average at >> various rates according to the most local suppression geometry.. this >> is why skeletal catalysts and casimir geometry are related, changes >> in >> casimir geometry are catalytic. A paper from Cornell confirms >> catalytic action at openings and defects of nanotubes. The changes in >> "pressure" according to cavity topology experienced by gas atoms is >> just strong catalytic action. I think normal catalytic action is a >> lesser combination of this rate of change in vacuum pressure while >> these claims of anomalous heat are examples of super catalytic >> action >> where the average suppression rate is much higher and dynamic changes >> in geometry more abrupt to the point where they can discount >> reversible reactions to OU. >> Surface area, figures of merit.... perhaps it is time to add geometry >> for cat selection? >> >> I didn't respond to your point of "thin" metal plates suppressing >> radiation because frankly I don't know how the effect is modified >> with >> thickness -whether 10 atom sheets to make casimir plates would >> measure >> the same value as single atom plates.. I would guess several layers >> would reinforce the quantum effect of the surface layers forming the >> cavity. >> >> Fran >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 5:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Edmund Storms >> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl) >> >> Fran and Andy, I have always wanted to ask someone who believes in >> the >> Casimir effect why they think the vacuum energy would be blocked by a >> thin wall of material. The vacuum energy is proposed to have a very >> large frequency, which normally would be expected to pass right >> through matter. Therefore, why would a cavity created by a few atoms >> within a crystal structure have any effect on such radiation? >> >> If the material is opaque to the radiation, the vacuum radiation >> would >> not even reach the cavities within the interior of the material and >> have no effect on what might happen there. If the material is not >> opaque, then the cavity does not exist as far as the radiation is >> concerned. People keep trying to apply this model to cold fusion. >> Cold fusion is difficult enough to understand without applying an >> effect that itself makes no sense. >> >> Ed Storms >> >> >> On May 16, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Andy Findlay wrote: >> >>> Hi Fran, >>> >>> Raney Nickel would indeed appear to be perfect territory for Casimir >>> effects to be taking place. But I'd need some therapeutic maths >>> counselling to comment sensibly on any relativistic effects. >>> >>> Andy. >>> >>> On 16/05/13 19:58, Roarty, Francis X wrote: >>>> Also skeletal catalysts like Rayney nickel are an inverse form of >>>> Casimir geometry with pit sizes in the same sweet spot for strong >>>> suppression of virtual particles as casimir plates. This was the >>>> first clue that lured me in to believing these claims regarding >>>> powders and skeletal cats like those used by Mills are all related >>>> to the same underlying environment...supression of longer vacuum >>>> wavelengths. All the claims regarding modified half lives and >>>> relativistic energies leads me to believe the "suppression" is >>>> actually relativistic and that the longer vacuum wavelengths remain >>>> unchanged to a local observer in the pit of a skeletal cat or >>>> cavities formed between powders grains or cracks in lattice of >>>> Casimir geometry. >>>> Fran >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Andy Findlay [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:01 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl) >>>> >>>> Hi Jack, >>>> >>>> I had the same idea a couple of years ago. It gets even more >>>> interesting when you realize that the NiAl + NaOH reaction produces >>>> Raney Nickel (google it - it is a nano-porous material) which has >>>> very interesting properties. The reaction effectively pre-loads the >>>> Raney Nickel 'metallic foam' with Hydrogen. >>>> >>>> I wonder if anyone has looked for anomalous heat in this process. I >>>> suspect not. >>>> >>>> Andy. >>>> >>>> On 16/05/13 17:21, Jack Cole wrote: >>>>> Since either potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide react with >>>>> aluminum to produce hydrogen, I wonder if NiAl wire in >>>>> electrolysis >>>>> with KOH or NaOH might prove interesting. Any thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps even simpler would be adding this wire to a solution of >>>>> KOH >>>>> or NaOH without electrolysis. I don't know if the hydrogen >>>>> produced would load into the lattice. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Jack >>>> >>> >> >
