No knowledge of the waveform would be required if a circuit breaker were
used which trips if more power is getting in than Rossi claims.
Harry


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Andrew <andrew...@att.net> wrote:

> **
> Probably; in any case, it would be an improvement. The majority of the
> paper is taken up by detailed calculations on the thermal emissions from
> the device - i.e. on the output side.
>
> On re-reading the paper, I'm struck by a detail from the March 116 hour
> test. When the input is on, the power supplied *exactly matches* (up to
> error bars) the output power, namely about 820 W. I for one find this a
> curious data point. It's stated that there's a 35% duty cycle on the input,
> and for that reason alone we get an over-unity COP result. The TRIAC-based
> control box appears to have two modes - auto and manual (the paper makes no
> attempt to help us understand this). In auto mode, there's a switchover to
> pulsed mode but it's unclear what triggers this. I can only assume it's due
> to sensing the resistor temperature indirectly via a resistance estimate.
> In manual mode, the authors describe setting the power level, so presumably
> this is also an externally available control on the box. But who knows,
> really? And what is really happening during the OFF state of the waveform?
> If power is being snuck into the device here, then the COP = 1, and there
> is no magic. Note that, if this be the case, then it doesn't matter if you
> run the device for a day or a year; you will always measure over-unity COP
> even though the real COP is unity.
>
> When they describe the dummy measurements, they mention placing the meter
> in single phase mode directly across the resistor feed wires (it's single
> phase for the March test). They therefore have access to that place
> electronically. So in principle, they could have attached a spectrum
> analyser and a scope. But they didn't, because it wasn't allowed in pulsed
> mode; they were only allowed to do it in manual mode.
>
> Andrew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com>
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 12:02 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The inanity of the hidden input power hypothesis
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Andrew <andrew...@att.net> wrote:
>
>  **
>> The *only* way to convince the scientific community is via evidence.
>>
>
> They will be carrying out a much longer experiment in the future.  If they
> were to have an electrical engineer take a close look at the input
> power across the entire range of interest and rule out input fake, after
> which they were to report results similar to the ones that were reported
> this time around, would this be considered adequate evidence for a prima
> facie conclusion that Rossi's device is producing excess heat?
>
> Eric
>
>

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