So do you encourage people working on Bessler's Wheel, Steorn, SMOT devices
when they keep banging up against known theory (and hence experimental
observations) that in a conservative field, what you gain going down, you
give going up?

WHAT IS THE NEW ANGLE THAR EVERYONE IS MISSING?????

So the belief is that it has nothing to do with temperature, pressure,
proximity but something to do with the lattice. Please expand on this.

If you are suggesting BEC, well electrons are leptons and light, how can
you get heavy hadrons into one coherent state at room temperature? If this
is the case, has CF been observed to occur spontaneously in liquid H2?


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Alain Sepeda <[email protected]>wrote:

> Jed, you hit the hard point that I found in an article (a recent message).
>
> Your position is evident for someone with good scientific culture and good
> practical sense, but not "brainwashed" by academic training of Popper
> science philosophy .
>
>
>
> 2013/12/19 Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>
>
>> John Franks <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Everyone will tell you, until you sort out the mechanism (not nuts and
>>> bolts) but how this would be possible in a conservative field, there is
>>> little point in experimenting.
>>>
>>
>> You have that backward. Cold fusion was discovered by experiment. We know
>> it is real because it has been widely replicated, often at high signal to
>> noise ratios. There is no theory to explain it.
>>
>> You seem to believe that science must begin with theory and then proceed
>> to experiment. That does happen from time to time, but more often it begins
>> with a discovery which only later is explained by theory.
>>
>>
>>
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