https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W67qnktk_8#t=947


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/47
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> Focus: Why We Can’t Remember the Future
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> In absolute certainty, LENR exists in the future; it is predestined
> because it will eventually be discovered just like any major operating
> principle of the universe must ultimately be. But how can we remember how
> it works in the here and now and what is its eventual configuration. The
> future exists just as surely as the past; this future just needs to be
> configured in the present to assume the certainty of that preordained
> future.
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> We are captured by the certainty of this inescapable fate, of the surety
> of the existence of what LENR must certainly be. What is not sure, is who
> will remember that future and bring us into that future reality. The future
> is looking for someone to remember; It is the uncertainty of the present
> that we struggle under.
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> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ken Deboer <barlaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Whoops, accidentally interrupted my above message.   To conclude:
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>>   That unraveling will, of course, take some great deal more effort, as
>> well as probably a great deal of time and money, even though we all hope(d)
>> that it could be carried off by the 'underground'.   Lennart Thomas seems
>> to have a good understanding of how the "Standard Model' of current
>> business operates and his general approach may yet be necessary.  It seems
>> likely, in fact, as soon as a little more meat is on the LENR bones (or
>> Rossi finally drops the bomb) that the huge industry surrounding LENR will
>> suddenly devleop.  Who will do this is a critical questiion.  I'd rather
>> not buy my lenr energy from Duke Enerergy or BP.
>> Cheers, ken
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>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Ken Deboer <barlaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> FUTURE?
>>>   I'd like to throw in a couple of general comments on the current trend
>>> of this Forum and LENR in general (Just as a cheerleader, since I am
>>> totally incapable of contributing or even understanding the technical
>>> details).
>>>     Despite no real evidence of any imminent breakthrough, still, we
>>> seem to be witnessing something like an amorphous landlside of some kind
>>> that is slowly inching us down (up?) towards a preliminary working model of
>>> LENR. The ideas floating around the last several months seem like they are
>>> kind of spiraling around the central kernel of the mystery.  The ideas
>>> around the size and shape of particles (nano and othewise), the role of
>>> magnetism, RF, nanoplasmonics, lattices and the like seems to be taking a
>>> (shadowy) shape and leads us to hope that a working synthesis might not be
>>> that far away.. (We eagerly await too, Dr. Storms new book and work, and
>>> Dr. Craven's
>>>  stuff, and MFMP, and others).
>>>   I am reminded of the history of genetics, where a gene was for a long
>>> time thought of as a 'particle of inheritance', b ut without any idea of
>>> what it might physically look like or how it worked.   THe concept of the
>>> NAE, the site of the magic activity on a metal, is analogous (and equally
>>> pregnant as an heuristic tool).  The nature of the gene of course has been
>>> beaten down into its ultimate form, and now the nature of the NAE is being
>>> dissected in somewhat the same manner as the gene was.  There were Nobel
>>> prizes attached to the genetic unraveling and there will be Nobel prizes in
>>> the NAE unraveling.  We would be thrilled if some of 'or guys' would be in
>>> that number.  At the least, there seems to be some definite directions as
>>> to what kind of experimental reactors to test out.
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>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>  Yesterday Rossi (on his reader blog)  indicated that the third party
>>>> tests would *not* be reported before June.
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>>>> Vortexers have at least another month to speculate on the mechanism of
>>>> the Ni-H Rossi Effect.  However it may be quite bit longer, depending upon
>>>> patent disclosure strategy.  What are the possibilities regarding outing of
>>>> a  theory supported by good data in conjunction with the release of the
>>>> third party report?
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>>>> Like Rossi implies in his response to a comment yesterday regarding the
>>>> probability of the Rossi Effect happening naturally,  the design of his
>>>> reactor certainly had some design behind it.  I think Focardi nailed the
>>>> theory and should be hailed appropriately.   Rossi had the wherewithal to
>>>> add some development funds and theory of his own and probably should get
>>>> the Nobel Prize.  I hope it happens soon.
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>>>> I am planning a trip to Italy in September and will visit the
>>>> University of Bologna for two days with the objective of talking with folks
>>>> who knew Focardi and are currently working in the field of solid states
>>>> physics and nano technology.  Alain has already asked me to visit the
>>>> History Dept there as well to find out the facts about the death of Bruno
>>>> which this blog discussed a few weeks ago.
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>>>> I will report on my trip and interactions.  Vortexers that may have
>>>> other ideas or questions, if so inclined, should present them to me via my
>>>> own email address so that I might address them with the Bologna historians
>>>> or researchers.   Alain has already given me some good ideas and leads.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Cook
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>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>> *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Pasadena: Theater Arts at Caltech
>>>> dramatizes the discovery and debunking of “cold fusion” (bring tomatoes)
>>>>
>>>> I believe that play has been around for a while. I heard about it years
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> - Jed
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