That demonstration is creating what are called Falaco Solitons -- akin to
topological defects of space-time, etc. Yes, like I said, it's an
interesting phenomenon and has some applicability to the quantum domain for
example, but I'm still not convinced its "the thing" in LENR. It might act
as a catalyst, or something similar when applied, but there are LENR
systems that exist where quasi-particle phenomenon doesn't seem to be at
play really. Consider Cravens' heated-orb demo at NI-Week.


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This paining of solitons is what forces the Higgs field to give solitons
> mass.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:13 PM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought this was cool.  I always like a picture/video over an
>> equation. I realize both are important
>>
>> Quark pool (soliton "pairs")
>>
>> http://youtu.be/909o_kbCdFg
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Except that Axil's approach, as it seems to me, is confined to
>> plasmatic NiH
>> > systems. This is all fine and good and has a certain value. However it
>> > doesn't have much to say about a variety of PdD or "no stimulation / low
>> > temperature" systems. Regardless of which one is more "commercially
>> viable",
>> > I think the question of whether we're looking at a universal effect
>> working
>> > across all systems, or a variety of effects in different systems, is an
>> > important one, and we don't yet know the answer.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I like Axil's approach.  Lots of stuff popping in and out around here.
>> >> Lots of hydrogen everywhere also. I think our oceans are made up of
>> >> hydrogen from our inflated and condensed quantum gravity field from
>> >> our Sun and our "weather" phenomena.  Maybe "Dark Matter" is the
>> >> attractive force when it is popped in and "Dark Energy" is the extra
>> >> pressure on the universe when it pops out.
>> >>
>> >> I think Space is not so much smooth and curvy but is all stringy and
>> >> puckered up with lots of LENR happening.
>> >>
>> >> Stewart
>>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > There is a restrictive  assumption in your analysis that  limits
>> >> > possibilities. The LENR process may be carried by a dozen different
>> >> > elements, mostly transition metals, not only nickel. Nickel may have
>> >> > advantages over the other active elements but the NiH reaction
>> should be
>> >> > looked upon as a topological reaction where the shape of the
>> material is
>> >> > what matters and not the material itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > My motivation here.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am building a case for LENR as the underpinning for dark matter and
>> >> > dark
>> >> > energy. In intergalactic gas clouds, many elements are found.
>> >> > Unexpectedly,
>> >> > a high percentage of intergalactic dust are transition metals, the
>> >> > expected
>> >> > ash for a LENR reaction.  The cosmological LENR reaction in order to
>> >> > support
>> >> > dark energy and a galaxy size dark matter soliton,  production could
>> not
>> >> > be
>> >> > restricted to only nickel.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jones, all your points are well taken, we certainly don't have to
>> agree
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> everything and there is much in the field that is still "up for
>> grabs",
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> I think its possible we have different effects going on in PdD vs.
>> NiH
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> well. I really like how Ed's theory fits PdD, and you may be right
>> >> >> about the
>> >> >> more exotic elements of NiH, but lets face it, we don't have much
>> solid
>> >> >> experimental work to pull from in NiH. I mean, in terms of a ratio,
>> its
>> >> >> probably like 10:1 in favor of PdD -- NiH has a lot of catching up
>> to
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> experimentally. Unfortunately much of the data is kept under wraps
>> due
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> intellectual property, etc. This both helps and hurts progress of
>> the
>> >> >> field.
>> >> >> I think speaking too authoratively about what is actually going on
>> in
>> >> >> NiH
>> >> >> domains is highly presumptuous, and while speculating is useful,
>> >> >> drawing too
>> >> >> many conclusions from a system we don't know much about is a
>> mistake.
>> >> >> Hell
>> >> >> we don't even know what the dominant nuclear-ash is, or if there is
>> a
>> >> >> nuclear ash. This is why I'm praying DGT actually goes through w/
>> mass
>> >> >> spectroscopy work that they promised in their most recent paper.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Finally finished "The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction"
>> over
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> weekend and find it to be a mixed bag - brilliant in places, but
>> >> >>> disappointing in others. There is no "cutting-edge" to be found
>> here,
>> >> >>> if
>> >> >>> that is what you are looking for. I was, and maybe that is my
>> problem.
>> >> >>> It
>> >> >>> can be recommended as a fine historical piece, very
>> well-researched -
>> >> >>> but
>> >> >>> do
>> >> >>> not expect much more.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Here is my main objection to Ed Storms' book from what is
>> admittedly a
>> >> >>> minority point of view. It is a historical account of the first
>> twenty
>> >> >>> years
>> >> >>> which overlooks the importance of new work, and that Ni-H is the
>> >> >>> commercial
>> >> >>> savior of LENR. All of that wonderful prior work with Pd-D, which
>> set
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> table for where we are now, is valuable and intuitive, but .... To
>> be
>> >> >>> blunt,
>> >> >>> when one is lost in time, with a focus on history, then the baggage
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> comes with that viewpoint can interfere with accurate
>> understanding of
>> >> >>> where
>> >> >>> we are going. Palladium cannot really help us in the long run, and
>> the
>> >> >>> best
>> >> >>> hope for deuterium now rests with Mizuno's new work. BTW - Mizuno's
>> >> >>> important new work is ignored by Ed and he cherry-pick data from
>> old
>> >> >>> work
>> >> >>> that contradicts the new. That is almost unforgiveable in a book
>> which
>> >> >>> promises accurate explanations.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In short, Storms is only accurate for understanding results which
>> were
>> >> >>> prior
>> >> >>> to Rossi and to "nano" but then falls flat - insofar as opening up
>> the
>> >> >>> future. The book overlooks the most important new developments in
>> >> >>> LENR,
>> >> >>> like
>> >> >>> nanotechnology and SPP, or else fails to analyze them properly. I
>> >> >>> finished
>> >> >>> this book wanting much more and thinking that I had already read
>> most
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> anyway.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In 24 years of accumulated experiment, which includes Mills - the
>> >> >>> experimental results are often contradictory, when considered in
>> toto.
>> >> >>> When
>> >> >>> one is looking for commonality, as in this book, a general theme
>> >> >>> should
>> >> >>> emerge. That is where Ed's book fails - it begins with a false
>> >> >>> assumption
>> >> >>> and ends with a theme that points us in the wrong direction. To
>> wit:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 1)      Fusion of deuterium in a Pd matrix or crack strongly
>> appears
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> be a
>> >> >>> novel kind of gammaless nuclear fusion, with helium or tritium as
>> the
>> >> >>> ash.
>> >> >>> This is where Ed's account is authoritative and helpful. He is an
>> >> >>> expert
>> >> >>> with Pd-D.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2)      However, deuterium can participate in thermal gain without
>> >> >>> fusion,
>> >> >>> as the new Mizuno work indicates, which work is ignored as are many
>> >> >>> important new developments - like Cravens extremely important
>> NI-Week
>> >> >>> demo.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 3)      Reactions of protons in a metal matrix (no deuterium)
>> strongly
>> >> >>> appears to be non-fusion, having almost no indicia of fusion, as in
>> >> >>> Rossi's
>> >> >>> work; but it can be nuclear in the sense of nuclear mass being
>> >> >>> converted
>> >> >>> into energy. Rossi is marginalized.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 4)      Ed does not to believe that the two isotopes, deuterium and
>> >> >>> protium
>> >> >>> can entail completely different modalities for thermal gain - and
>> so
>> >> >>> he
>> >> >>> proceeds to lump Ni-H into a category where it is not well-suited.
>> >> >>> Thus,
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> the segment of LENR which deals with Ni-H, his book is both wrong
>> and
>> >> >>> counterproductive, since it casts the entire sub-field into chaos
>> for
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> start by confusing two pathways as one.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 5)      It should be noted, in defense of point 3 that slight
>> >> >>> transmutation
>> >> >>> is seen on rare occasion by a minority of researchers (notably
>> >> >>> Piantelli),
>> >> >>> but it is three orders of magnitude too low to account for excess
>> >> >>> heat.
>> >> >>> When
>> >> >>> copper is found with nickel it is in the natural isotope ratio
>> which
>> >> >>> statistically proves absolutely that it cannot be formed from
>> nickel.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In short, this book is authoritative and helpful for understanding
>> the
>> >> >>> history of cold fusion, Pd-D and most of the experiments following
>> in
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> footsteps of P&F. That is the good part and if this is what you are
>> >> >>> after,
>> >> >>> then do not read-on.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> As for the downside, Storms overlook or marginalizes the fact that
>> >> >>> Ni-H
>> >> >>> may
>> >> >>> not be related to Pd-D and may not be fusion at all. He emphasizes
>> the
>> >> >>> few
>> >> >>> findings which point to fusion, and fails to even mention contrary
>> >> >>> arguments
>> >> >>> and weight of evidence. The two isotopes are extraordinarily
>> different
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> it makes no sense to lump them into the same modality. The bottom
>> line
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> Storms book is that it will bring you up to date to around the year
>> >> >>> 2010
>> >> >>> -
>> >> >>> in terms of where the field was then, but fails to move beyond that
>> >> >>> limitation.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In neglecting to emphasize the importance of Ni-H, mention the zero
>> >> >>> point
>> >> >>> field, nanomagnetism (or almost anything related to
>> nanotechnology),
>> >> >>> giving
>> >> >>> half a sentence to surface plasmons, marginalizing Rossi, Cravens,
>> >> >>> Mizuno,
>> >> >>> Mills, and ignoring Ahern, plus - ignoring dozens of other
>> >> >>> cutting-edge
>> >> >>> subjects, "The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction" should
>> >> >>> instead
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> called "The History of Cold Fusion in Palladium."
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> But as disappointing as it was to me, it was still worth the time,
>> and
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> may agree with Ed's perspective anyway, so have at it!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
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