Also this thing is absorbing huge amounts of energy, from both the nuclear reactions & the environmental temperatures of the system, and maintains these very delicate nano-whisker structures & BEC. That's a lot to ask of one mechanism. The BEC's also maintain themselves somehow during heat-after-death. If true, this would certainly have revolutionary implications for the next generation of radiation shielding, right? How can you experimentally prove such a thing?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > So this how can we experimentally prove this hypothesis? Widom-Larsen > refuse to subject theirs to test. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Polariton production must be strongly pumped. In Rossi's system the >> pumping is done by the mouse or primary heater. In the DGT system the >> pumping is done by the arc discharge. This pumping produces dipole >> oscillations on the surface of the micro particles. Dipoles produce the >> electrons and photons that combine to form polaritons. >> >> When the heat or the arc is discontinued, the reaction will eventually >> die. In a hot system, the BEC dissipates after the reactions have >> stopped so it will still protect against after life gamma's. When Rossi ran >> his systems cold with little dipole electron production, he did see gammas >> at shutdown. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> How does the BEC-polariton shield maintain its existence without applied >>> current -- similar to when power is shut-off to a system and demonstrates >>> heat-after-death power generation? The electrical input goes away, cold >>> plasma goes away, BEC shield goes away, but the reactions persist, so we >>> should observe storms of radiation during those periods, which we do >>> not. Same problem as WLT, or no? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is way a LENR system will work for awhile and then died a slow >>>> death. A BEC leeps a reactor going for months without damage to the nano >>>> strutures. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Axil -- this sounds a bit similar to Widom-Larsen's magic gamma >>>>> shield. Maybe there is evidence for energy distribution in a BEC polariton >>>>> system -- but these are observed only outside LENR systems, in very >>>>> selective environments, and last I checked all NiH generating systems >>>>> don't >>>>> require the existence of a cold plasma either. In those systems no BEC >>>>> would form, and a truck load of gammas would result. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The BEC buffers the release of energy by widely spreading it out over >>>>>> many NAE. The is something called quantum mechanical blockade that makes >>>>>> sure no one NAE get more energy than the others. >>>>>> >>>>>> When there is no BEC formed, a gamma is produced by the sole NAE and >>>>>> the NAE is destroyed. A LENR system that produces gamma is eating itself >>>>>> up >>>>>> and will soon fail. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Axil -- OK, but how is the fusion reaction initiated in this model? >>>>>>> The magnetic nano-antennae traps bring the hydrogen to the NAE (which is >>>>>>> what exactly?) and then what happens? Basically Kim's theory? Where >>>>>>> else, >>>>>>> experimentally, has a BCE exhibited the tendency to initiate fusion? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why would the BEC "protect [nano-wire] from destruction"? BEC's >>>>>>> themselves are not known to exist at the temperatures we are >>>>>>> positing. Therefore how can they protect anything if they themselves >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> not maintain an existence at much higher temperatures? I know the claims >>>>>>> for creation of "room temperature" BEC (Michigan group I think) -- none >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> which show BEC can exist at particularly high temperatures in a chaotic >>>>>>> environment, form in copious amounts, or initiate any kind of fusion >>>>>>> reaction. This seems like another way of stating Hagelstein's view, >>>>>>> only he >>>>>>> doesn't posit the necessity for a BEC or plasmons, whereby he explains >>>>>>> energy dissipation through a quantum coherent sharing process across the >>>>>>> lattice structure & hydrogen clusters via phonons (aka quasi-particles >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> same as polaritons). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The way power flows from the fusion reaction to the lattice is >>>>>>>> based on the formation of a global BEC. The nuclear reaction feeds the >>>>>>>> BEC >>>>>>>> power in small packets, hundreds of thousands of energy packets spread >>>>>>>> quantum mechanically over all the members of the global polariton BEC. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> nickel nanowire does not enter into the nuclear reaction. It only >>>>>>>> projects >>>>>>>> a magnetic force that causes the nuclear reaction to take place. The >>>>>>>> Energy >>>>>>>> from the LENR reaction flows back through the magnetic field lines to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> soliton which is the BEC ensemble member at the tip of the nickel >>>>>>>> nanowire. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The BEC of polaritons is what protects the nickel nanowire from >>>>>>>> destruction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Similar energy sharing is seen in the BEC of Rydberg atoms. That >>>>>>>> BEC is called a super atom because it act like one huge atom. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is also how dark matter polariton clouds form at the centers >>>>>>>> of dwarf galaxies to form a polariton BEC of dark matter carried by >>>>>>>> interstellar dust as the substrate that is 100000 parsecs in diameter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the comment Jojo. I think you make a fair point(s). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jojo Iznart < >>>>>>>>> jojoiznar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In all this talk about the NAE being a Nanowire, a nanotip, a >>>>>>>>>> nanoantenna, a nanomesh, a nanospike, a nano coating on a nano >>>>>>>>>> particle, a >>>>>>>>>> nano-this and a nano-that; people seems to be forgeting the fact that >>>>>>>>>> whatever nano structure the NAE is, it will not survive the >>>>>>>>>> temperatures >>>>>>>>>> we've seen being demonstrated; especially with Rossi's hotcat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is it not obvious to anyone that whatever whatever the NAE is, it >>>>>>>>>> couldn't possibly be a nanostructure of Nickel. Nickel will be a >>>>>>>>>> homogenous blob of partly molten metal at the temperatures we are >>>>>>>>>> talking >>>>>>>>>> about. And it is known, that it will sinter and reshape itself even >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> temperatures significantly below its melting temp. In other words, >>>>>>>>>> GOODBYE NAE. At best, it is a one-use NAE. An NAE that is a >>>>>>>>>> nanostructure >>>>>>>>>> Nickel appears to be highly unlikely and improbable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That is why, I'm with Ed on this. People come up with theories >>>>>>>>>> that conveniently ignore the chemical environment. In this case, the >>>>>>>>>> physical melting or sintering point of Nickel. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Axil's theory while sounding erudite and well-researched, has a >>>>>>>>>> big hole in the middle of it. Big enough to drive a Mack truck thru. >>>>>>>>>> Unless Axil can explain how his Nano antenna NAE can survive the >>>>>>>>>> temps, It >>>>>>>>>> is my opinion that his theory is dead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I broke my self-imposed exile just to say this. It seems that >>>>>>>>>> there are many theories being bandied around that simply breaks very >>>>>>>>>> important principles. Whatever you think of Ed's book, he makes a >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> important point, we should not simply ignore the chemical >>>>>>>>>> environment, or >>>>>>>>>> physical properties of metals, or thermodynamic principles, etc if >>>>>>>>>> they do >>>>>>>>>> not fit our theories. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jojo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
