LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and cavitation to name just a few. DGT has a list in their ICCF-17 paper.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake of > argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a > debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be such > a novel & hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or, > at the very least, not so rare at the classical level. For example, I think > there is evidence that humans are quantum-coherent, but I have actual > evidence from investigations of biological organisms to back that up, not > abstractions from disparate fields of study that I make subjective > connections between. > > OK so we can't test the quantum-coherent gamma barrier, right? We just > take it on a certain amount of faith (for the present I'm guessing) that it > can do all the things you say it does? Similar to WLT? If this is the case, > at the very least I think some calculations for a phenomenon that produces > no testable predictions in LENR systems. WLT do provide calculations at > least, though most of them have been torn apart by a number of competent > people in the field. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton BEC. >> I read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be applied to >> the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the parameters >> of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is always used for >> experimentation because parameters can be controlled. >> >> In my mind, polariton lasers show energy sharing where pumped energy is >> converted to a single energy level. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This was work on "ultracold atom ensembles". OK, that's interesting, >>> and? Why are you so sure "ultracold" phenomenon can so easily manifest at >>> high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can generate >>> some system-wide absorption of radiation & internal thermal heat? I'll ask >>> again if there's anyway to experimentally demonstrate what you're talking >>> about in very different LENR systems? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> See >>>> >>>> Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate >>>> >>>> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction in >>>> terms of the physics. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't >>>>> understand QM. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same experiment, is >>>>> that the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE reacting. Nothing more >>>>> nothing less. They were not detecting nuclear products, just spotted heat >>>>> events. I don't understand how this demonstrates a BEC-shield in any way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH >>>>>> reactor, this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of >>>>>> flashing hot spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC has >>>>>> not >>>>>> formed. I has seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the lattice of >>>>>> the reactor, then a BEC has formed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is >>>>>>> occurring in these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick of >>>>>>> course is proving that a coherent BEC state, that links together a >>>>>>> phase-coherent quantum-system (aka "soliton") then dissipates all that >>>>>>> mass >>>>>>> energy through systemic distribution, can actually exist. Widom-Larsen >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> taken a similar road without success. Hagelstein has tried to do this >>>>>>> through a phonon quasi-particle model with limited success. Again, the >>>>>>> papers are all well and good, what experiments do you suggest to show >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> is going on in all NiH LENR systems beside the particle chamber >>>>>>> suggestion? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as >>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of >>>>>>>> electrons on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic >>>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>>> can change the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 microseconds. >>>>>>>> It also causes thorium to fission. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See references: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of >>>>>>>> solid targets in heavy water" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >>>>>>>> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
