Bob, This is a common misconception. Rossi does NOT use nano-Ni. Rossi uses Ni particles (from the carbonyl process) that have a high external area and particle diameter of 4-8 microns. Rossi adds a catalyst, that is believed to be a nanopowder, to the carbonyl Ni particles and then "grows" features on the Ni.
Bob Higgins On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what > the sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that > carbon nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H > nano structure may even be better at high temperatures. > > I would not give up on Ni even in the hot cat performance. Something > Rossi introduced say white hot conditions. Of course it may be a fake. I > think he has been honest with what he has said. He may withhold > information also, however. > > I learned much in reactor design due to early failures. The new designs > after failure generally allowed for higher temperature operations and > greater power output. I would bet Rossi is not beyond learning from his > failures. > > Bob > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > *From:* Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:51 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > > Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of > plasma in the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self > destruction would bring the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does > point to the continued run away reaction even after the geometry has > melted. Like they say it gets worse before it gets better :_) > > Fran > > > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:44 AM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \"The Explanation > of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction\" > > > > One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas > formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the > reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy > output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between > nano-particles. > > > > The lesson thought to use by the meltdown of Rossi's reactor when the > temperature of the reactor passes 2000C is that the permanent reaction > sites will melt and be destroyed by the high heat. > > > > However, the reaction still continues at an accelerated pace. In 10 > seconds, when control of the reactor is lost, the reactor goes from 1000C > to 2000C and produces a power output of a megawatt. > > > > During this meltdown process the reaction carrier must have shifted from > primarily the nanowire to completely nanoparticles. When the hydrogen > containment fails, the reaction carrier must be completely nanoparticles. > > > > The take away, there are many ways in which the LENR reaction can be > carried. At any given time, the situation will govern which mechanism will > denominate. > > > > *By the way, Ed Storms theory cannot support this dynamic variation is > reaction mechanisms. Ed never wanted to add NiH reactor meltdown to his > collection of experimental results.* > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > The simplest answer to these question is YES. > > A bit longer one; > > - as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive > > and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they > > are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have > to see > > what exactly can play the role of a nano-antenna, is there unity in > diversity > > or even greater diversity in diversity- details have to be discovered, > what i am convinced is- it is not about simple cracks, however the very > surace of cracks can be ACTIVE > > > > - yes, I think at LENR+ active sites are created very dynamically, we ahve > to learn the Know Why and how to accelearte in a controlled way the process > > (let me repeat I am using NAE in other sense- the NAEnvironment is the > > complete cell- F& P, or Piantelli etc , the entire E-cat or Hyperion) > > > > - i still don't know the details regarding the death, birth and activity > > of the active sites- it is a captivating story > > > > Whatever they are and however they work I also think as AXIL that > > nanoplasmonics and BEC play a decisive role. We have to study the complete > scenario. > > > > peter > > > > > > > > . > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Peter, thank you for the kind words. > > > > Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to > bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you > propose nano structures also for your NAE? If you are, you also have to > explain how that surface structure (whatever it is) will survive the temps > or be dynamically recreated in quantities sufficient to sustain KW levels > of heat. Seems like a lot of NAE being created at these heat levels. > > > > > > > > Jojo > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > > *To:* VORTEX <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:42 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Review of Ed Storms book: \"The Explanation of Low > Energy Nuclear Reaction\" > > > > Very inspiring and well motivated what you say here, Jojo. > > It leads, in my opinion to a crucial problem, question: > > > > What is the essential difference between the classic LENR > > with Watts of heat release and the new LENR+ a la Rossi and DGT > > with enhanced heat release at the kWatts level? > > > > My answer was, from the start that it is the mechanism of genesis > > of active sites (NAE), Classic LENR works mainly with pre-formed > > active sites, limited in number/density while LENR+ is based on a continous > > generation of new active sites- it is a dynamic equilibrium between the > active sites that are destroyed by the high temperature and the new ones > that > > appear, the trick is to have many of these doing their task - a sequence > > of processes and reactions. You show the destructive side of elevated > temperatures, the constructive side must be added and this is the clue of > the LENR+ progress. > > The critical Debye temperature is one at which the dynamics of the atoms > at the surface of the metal, changes. > > > > I have predicted this decisive role of surface dynamics long ago see > please: > > http://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:26035858 > > > > Axil describes a part of the details- the coming LENR_ events will reveal > a lot, including the role of the dynamic equilibrium of the active sites- > with details that can help us to go from principles to theories. > > > > Peter > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > In all this talk about the NAE being a Nanowire, a nanotip, a nanoantenna, > a nanomesh, a nanospike, a nano coating on a nano particle, a nano-this > and a nano-that; people seems to be forgeting the fact that whatever nano > structure the NAE is, it will not survive the temperatures we've seen being > demonstrated; especially with Rossi's hotcat. > > > > Is it not obvious to anyone that whatever whatever the NAE is, it couldn't > possibly be a nanostructure of Nickel. Nickel will be a homogenous blob of > partly molten metal at the temperatures we are talking about. And it is > known, that it will sinter and reshape itself even at temperatures > significantly below its melting temp. In other words, GOODBYE NAE. At > best, it is a one-use NAE. An NAE that is a nanostructure Nickel appears > to be highly unlikely and improbable. > > > > That is why, I'm with Ed on this. People come up with theories that > conveniently ignore the chemical environment. In this case, the physical > melting or sintering point of Nickel. > > > > Axil's theory while sounding erudite and well-researched, has a big hole > in the middle of it. Big enough to drive a Mack truck thru. Unless Axil > can explain how his Nano antenna NAE can survive the temps, It is my > opinion that his theory is dead. > > > > I broke my self-imposed exile just to say this. It seems that there are > many theories being bandied around that simply breaks very important > principles. Whatever you think of Ed's book, he makes a very important > point, we should not simply ignore the chemical environment, or physical > properties of metals, or thermodynamic principles, etc if they do not fit > our theories. > > > > > > Jojo > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > > Cluj, Romania > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > > Cluj, Romania > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > >
