if particles cannot survive, maybe they don't .

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Some particles come out of the reactor after a month of 1400C temperatures
just as they when in, that is with tubercles. They are structurally intact.
Go figure!!!

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> this seems a mystery but maybe it is the key.
>
> as far as I understand your discussion, it seems impossible Ni particles
> surface structure stay stable even at 1000C... it won't be liquid, but will
> be aggregated too easily...
>
> when something works and there is something like a problem, maybe it is
> what make it work.
>
> the reaction came from a local abnormal structure in Ni or Pd , Ti,  NiCu,
> ...
> I remember of codeposition experiments by spawar... now imagine an
> equivalent with Ni vapor?
>
> Ni is gaseous, at least evaporated, and forms particles with the NAE...
>
> the particle we see are regenerated. maybe is it why they are so strangely
> enriched.
>
> think about the Iwamura experiment... Pd on CaO works ?
> maybe Ni on Alumina works? ...
>
> people who say that it cannot be 1400C/1250C, have to admit that it would
> be incredibly lucky for IH to deliver a reactor that don't work and then
> have the testers measure abnormal temperature tht correct that anomaly...
>
> especially if Rossi is there and tune with a thermocouple retroaction the
> target temperature at 1250C without moaning...
>
>
> question is thus why it work, how it work...
> if particles cannot survive, maybe they don't .
>
> maybe the role of the alumina is to avoid particle to stick
>
>
> 2014-10-19 0:11 GMT+02:00 Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com>:
>
>>  Axil--
>>
>> Your question:
>>       <<<How can the surface of the reactor sustain a temperature of
>> 1420C if the nickel particles are cooler that that temperature.>>>
>>
>> Answer---The energy is generated by the particles is radiant energy and
>> all is absorbed by the alumina near the inner surface with none being
>> absorbed by the Ni particles.  This seems unlikely to me.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:38 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor
>>
>> This idea contributes the belief that the nickel particles are the source
>> of heat production. What you are saying is that the particles caused heat
>> to be generated somewhere else in the reactor, not in or near the nickel
>> particles. How can the surface of the reactor sustain a temperature of
>> 1420C if the nickel particles are cooler that that temperature.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The left side (in Figure 1) 45-50mm of the reactor are much cooler than
>>> the heated core between the insulated supports.  This end near the
>>> thermocouple plug probably never exceeded 700C.  Particles that ended up
>>> there did not undergo as much sintering.  As I recall the Lugano test
>>> particle was nearly 500 microns across and probably was that size due to
>>> substantial sintering with smaller particles.  Sintering of Ni would still
>>> occur in the colder part.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yet, particle 1 which showed Ni62 transmutation also shower that
>>>> the tubercle nano-surface was still in place after days of 1400C operation.
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As someone who has first hand experience working with micro-scale
>>>>> carbonyl Ni powder, and treating these powders in a thermochemical 
>>>>> reactor,
>>>>> I can tell you that what you are saying about the nickel particles is 100%
>>>>> wrong.  Even these 4-10 micron scale nickel particles will sinter into a
>>>>> porous mass by heating at 500-700C.  Ni melts at 1455C and the nano-scale
>>>>> features will all melt at about half of this temperature - the nanoscale
>>>>> features will ball-up onto the micro-scale nickel particle to which the
>>>>> feature may be attached.  Any nanopowder of Ni present is melted before
>>>>> 800C and becomes a larger particle - and then condenses.  And Rossi
>>>>> specifically says he does not use nickel nanopowder anyway.  The same is
>>>>> true for other free nanoparticles.  By the time the IH reactor is 
>>>>> operating
>>>>> above 1000C, there are no nickel nanoparticles or nano-features of any 
>>>>> kind
>>>>> left - they are all melted into larger agglomerations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what your experience is with, but it is not with nickel
>>>>> powder.  Alumina does not store hydrogen in any significant measure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>

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