> Hello Herbert,
>
>
> Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Joel Soete wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >>That said do you remember how much 'new' is this option (I don't have
> >>enough space to save all kernel and config ;<( )?
> >>
> >>Well some time ago (I find back: around 2.6.12-rc1), I already
> >>did 'just disable' a debug option, in the hope that works better:
> >>the actual effect was just disable to printout "BUG ..." but the
> >>underground bug effect was always there and kernel still missbehave.
> >
> >
> > not disabling the de'bug' option, but the hang check
> > and probably submitting something to lkml so that
> > folks there could look into it ...
> >
> > at least I assume this happens with a vanilla kernel
> > too, if not, please let me know ...
> >
> I never noticed this with parisc cvs tree, even when I use vps as a simple
chroot (with just starting cron).
>
please read more detailed: with a 32bit kernel (it seems that 64bits kernel up
and smp expose some unexpected hang, but that was already repoted to
parisc-linux  m-l), I never noticed this with parisc-cvs src tree (even if I
use vps fs space as a simple chroot).
i.e.:
    1/ I didn't noticed (the same kernel without vserver patch) hiccup like this
    2/ and fwiw I never seen dying the system like this:
tones of messages like:
  oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=2                                 

Backtrace:                                                               

 [<10154980>] out_of_memory+0x17c/0x19c                                  

 [<10156b94>] __alloc_pages+0x348/0x3a8                                  

 [<10156fcc>] __get_free_pages+0x2c/0x98                                 

 [<10123efc>] copy_process+0x18c/0x1410                                  

 [<10103db8>] do_fork+0x78/0x204                                         

 [<10109c30>] __kernel_thread+0x30/0x40                                  

 [<10121a58>] try_to_wake_up+0xe4/0x1ec                                  

 [<10120800>] __wake_up_common+0x78/0xc4                                 

 [<1013d2dc>] keventd_create_kthread+0x24/0x74                           

 [<101393a8>] run_workqueue+0x84/0x128                                   

 [<10139664>] worker_thread+0x124/0x180                                  

 [<1013d4e4>] kthread+0x144/0x14c                                        

 [<10109c5c>] ret_from_kernel_thread+0x1c/0x24                           

                                                                         

Mem-info:                                                                

DMA per-cpu:                                                             

cpu 0 hot: high 90, batch 15 used:11                                     

cpu 0 cold: high 30, batch 7 used:19                                     

DMA32 per-cpu: empty                                                     

Normal per-cpu: empty                                                    

HighMem per-cpu: empty                                                   

Free pages:       11024kB (0kB HighMem)                                  

Active:11675 inactive:11965 dirty:2 writeback:2 unstable:0 free:2756 slab:8258
mapped:23361 pagetables:14416
DMA free:11024kB min:2048kB low:2560kB high:3072kB active:46700kB
inactive:47860kB present:262144kB pages_scanned:50944 all_unreclai
mable? no                                                                

lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

DMA32 free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB
pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB
pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:128kB high:128kB active:0kB inactive:0kB
present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

DMA: 2098*4kB 265*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 1*512kB 0*1024kB
0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 11024kB
DMA32: empty                                                             

Normal: empty                                                            

HighMem: empty                                                           

Swap cache: add 578297, delete 577842, find 50692/109462, race 98+52     

Free swap  = 0kB                                                       

Total swap = 517480kB                                                  

Free swap:            0kB                                                

65536 pages of RAM                                                       

1725 reserved pages                                                      

232835 pages shared                                                      

455 pages swap cached                                                    

Out of Memory: Kill process 1859 (sendmail) score 4190 and children.     

Out of memory: Killed process 2708 (exim4).                              

oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=2                                   

Backtrace:                                                               

 [<10154980>] out_of_memory+0x17c/0x19c                                  

 [<10156b94>] __alloc_pages+0x348/0x3a8                                  

 [<10156fcc>] __get_free_pages+0x2c/0x98                                 

 [<10123efc>] copy_process+0x18c/0x1410                                  

 [<10103db8>] do_fork+0x78/0x204                                         

 [<10109c30>] __kernel_thread+0x30/0x40                                  

 [<10121a58>] try_to_wake_up+0xe4/0x1ec                                  

 [<10120800>] __wake_up_common+0x78/0xc4                                 

 [<1013d2dc>] keventd_create_kthread+0x24/0x74                           

 [<101393a8>] run_workqueue+0x84/0x128                                   

 [<10139664>] worker_thread+0x124/0x180                                  

 [<1013d4e4>] kthread+0x144/0x14c                                        

 [<10109c5c>] ret_from_kernel_thread+0x1c/0x24                           

                                                                         

Mem-info:                                                                

DMA per-cpu:                                                             

cpu 0 hot: high 90, batch 15 used:4                                      

cpu 0 cold: high 30, batch 7 used:2                                      

DMA32 per-cpu: empty                                                     

Normal per-cpu: empty                                                    

HighMem per-cpu: empty                                                   

Free pages:       11072kB (0kB HighMem)                                  

Active:11803 inactive:11887 dirty:2 writeback:2 unstable:0 free:2768 slab:8253
mapped:23364 pagetables:14416
DMA free:11072kB min:2048kB low:2560kB high:3072kB active:47212kB
inactive:47548kB present:262144kB pages_scanned:10295 all_unreclai
mable? no                                                                

lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

DMA32 free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB
pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB
pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:128kB high:128kB active:0kB inactive:0kB
present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0                                                

DMA: 2108*4kB 266*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 1*512kB 0*1024kB
0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 11072kB
DMA32: empty                                                             

Normal: empty                                                            

HighMem: empty                                                           

Swap cache: add 578352, delete 577897, find 50703/109478, race 98+52     

Free swap  = 0kB                                                       

Total swap = 517480kB                                                  

Free swap:            0kB                                                

65536 pages of RAM                                                       

1725 reserved pages                                                      

232805 pages shared                                                      

455 pages swap cached                                                    

[...]

> >
> >>But that's a long time ago and as you're the second to 'just want to
> >>disable this feature', I need to test.
> >>
> >>The first thing is that, the system behaviour is still heratic:
> >>    1/ at the console a return can answer immediately or about 30s later?
> >>
> >>    2/ the same in a ssh connection: ls, vserver-stat ; sometime immediate
> >>answer, sometime wait (even in the midle of the type of the cmdl)
> >>
> >>    3/ I reach to enter a vps (awaiting about 20min) but responding from 
> >> time
> >>to time
> >>
> >>    4/ but the system is still alive.... let it run the w-e
> >
> >
> > sounds like a major scheduling issue ...
> >
> Not sure what hapen: when the system was a bit responsive, I launch a top
and some time showing me about 50 cron child process,
> and/or more then 20 logcheck process, also even before I started a vps
server (so I presume to be a pb related to kernel, don't know
> exactely what, much then the fact that I use glibc, dietlibc not availble
for parisc, to build utils-vserver tools)?
>
> I will check on monday if system is still alive ;-)
>
So the system die the same way with or without CONFIG_DETECT_SOFTLOCKUP.
(the same for 64bit kernel pb)

I will check, if I can find something more helpfull?

Thanks again,
    Joel


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