On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Larry W. Virden, x2487 wrote:

> The first thing he wanted to do was to turn on the grid manager.  Remember,
> we are using 1.09 here.  He tried 'pressing the manager' buttons on the
> top of the geometry window.  It _appears_ that these were just 'indicator
> lights' showing which manager was in effect, becausing pressing grid
> would not change to the grid manager - instead, we had to go to the main
> tool window and press grid there.
> 
> Two other areas gave a bit of problem.  The first was figuring out,
> after getting grid to activate, how to get the 'geometry' of the window
> to work.  He would press north/south/east/west or sticky, and sometimes
> the buttons would highlight and sometimes they would not.  It wasn't
> obvious to me what needed to be done.  However, I suspect it was a
> paradigm conflict that we were encountering.

 The Geometry Manager is gone for 1.10 which reduces the confusion
 here :)  In it's stead is a much richer attribute editor. This is
 more in line with what programmers expect from GUI builders. It
 also allows for plug-in geometry managers.

> Finally, a very interesting bug was encountered.  Before we realized that
> we were not getting into the Grid Manager, my friend had tried setting some
> of the values in the geometry window.  He set several to 0, trying to get
> a label widget in a toplevel to move to that position.   What he ended up
> doing, by accident, was getting some variable in vtcl set to zero that
> began causing divide by zero errors.  _Every time_ from that point on that
> _anything_ was pressed in vtcl, a divide by zero error occured.  We had to
> kill the process to get rid of vtcl - even trying to quit caused this 
> error.

 I would dearly like to know how this happened so that I can fix it!
 Do you have any clues?

> One thing I found myself 'longing' for was a log function in vtcl, where it
> would record every event that was occuring.  In that way, I could send along
> the log as a bug report.
>
> With the proper extension, it might even be possible to use the log as a
> playback mechanism to 'drive' vtcl in a regression mode test type of way!

 great ideas. I'll add it to the hot list.

 -stewart-

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