One of the things I done to help me my marabou patterns sink, without having to resort 
to added weight, is to remove the stems before tying the marabou on.  I put the 
feather in a loop and spin it on, it gives it a full effect without a lot of bulk.  
I'll then add a collar feather to improve the silhouette.  Additionally, I use a heavy 
wire hook and as small of a tippet as I can get away with.

Hope this helps.

Tim <><

On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:48 -0800 Rob Blomquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Friday 04 January 2002 04:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke:
>> Have you folks ever checked out the "extra" depth you get with a weighed 
>>fly in a wet fly swing?
>
>Well, there are several things that come into play in a fly that is sinking.
>
>First off, its weight. But I guess that's a little bonehead for this gang, 
>Then, there is the total resistance to sinking which is everything added to 
>the hook. The best sinking fly will be a bare hook of the heaviest metal that 
>you care to tie with. Anything that adds to that bare hook slows it down. Big 
>marabous, big bunny leaches, big patterns of cactus chenille, or anything 
>like these are tougher to sink if only for what they are made of.
>
>I was chatting with my local fly shop purveyor about my fishing methods and 
>lack of sucess, and he suggested that I work on tying heavier flies by using 
>heavier, bigger hooks. As my type 4 sink tip and my 4 foot leader are right, 
>but my flies are probably rising up off the bottom due to their size and 
>resistance.
>
>So I have shifted to tying only patterns on #1-3/0, and weighting the fly if 
>necessary to get the size and sink rate I want. You ought to see the wire 
>size on a Tiemco 7999 3/0. I have also been paring down my marabous so they 
>sink faster with less hackle.
>
>I have only been able to fish them for a short time on the Tolt last weekend, 
>but they sunk like rocks with thin marabou hackles, and tinsel bodies. It was 
>quite amazing to see. Heck and that was with no prewetting of the marabou.
>
>Rob
>
>-- 
>Rob Blomquist
>Kirkland, WA
>
>

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