Hi Ronni,

I have an iMac 21.5 inch Dec 2012.
It is an i7 processor 3.1Ghz
Preferred to use my budget for the higher specs rather than the bigger screen 
(even though I would like both).
One of the CONS of being an aged pensioner with regard to spending.
It is an i7 processor 3.1Ghz

I used to use mains powered drives for Time Machine backups.
But I found a USB drive less obtrusive on my desk and saved one outlet on my 
power board.
Also a little less cable clutter.

I am happy to just stick with the “no sleep” method.
I am used to it now and powering off at night is not an issue either.
I just need to warn any guests that use my iMac (not very often that happens 
either).


On 10 Jun 2014, at 1:30 pm, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:

>> So as far as we are aware there are not yet any portable hard drives that 
>> have the sleep issue covered ?
> 
> As far as I am aware Power Nap will not power on a USB drive. When your Mac 
> is plugged into  AC power, Power Nap can perform things like Time Machine 
> backups to an AirPort Time Capsule and download OS X software updates while 
> your Mac sleeps.
> 
> Can you Mac use Power Nap? I don't think you have mentioned what Mac you are 
> using.
> If using an iMac it has to be (Late 2012) and later.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2014, at 12:32 pm, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni - you must have been the WAMUG member who gave me this info about a 
>> year ago.
>> And I thank you for that.
>> I have sleep mode switched off on my iMac since then, so not a problem.
>> 
>> However I always power my iMac off each night and power on again in the 
>> morning.
>> This does not seem to be a problem as the drive copies that action without 
>> ejecting.
>> It just seems to be the sleep mode that is the issue.
>> 
>> The issue only loomed again last week when my step son came over from Dubai 
>> for a few days.
>> One night he used the iMac and put it to sleep when he finished.
>> Of course when I came into the office later I saw the message on screen and 
>> no HD icon.
>> 
>> So as far as we are aware there are not yet any portable hard drives that 
>> have the sleep issue covered ?
>> 
>> On 10 Jun 2014, at 12:23 pm, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>> 
>>> Power management in newer Mac products use a VERY LOW POWER sleep mode, 
>>> almost to hibernation state. Most external drives can only detect a 
>>> connection to a computer when the computer is sending a line level signal 
>>> via connection cable. When newer macs enter sleep mode the power is beneath 
>>> the threshold level these external devices are capable of sensing. 
>>> Therefore, when the computer sleeps, the drive thinks the computer is off 
>>> and puts itself to sleep causing improper dismount or self-eject, and of 
>>> course generating the message that the device has been improperly ejected. 
>>> And Yes, this can damage files. 
>>> 
>>> What is required when using these devices is to either eject the drive 
>>> manually through the Finder Window, and then let your computer sleep, or 
>>> adjust your power management setting in System Preferences - "Energy Saver" 
>>> tab to "NEVER" for the 'Computer Sleep' setting. Also in the same Energy 
>>> Saver window, be certain to UNCHECK 'Put hard disks to sleep whenever 
>>> possible," and UNCHECK 'Enable Power Nap.'
>>> 
>>> Many external drives have their own power management features as well, that 
>>> can be set from its own settings window and these operate independently of 
>>> OS X. If these devices are set for a sleep mode before OS X sleeps, it will 
>>> cause itself to eject improperly from the OS and you will get error 
>>> messages and possibly corrupt data and or your backup. 
>>> Where these devices offer power management settings, it is advisable to 
>>> disable any sleep settings. 
>>> 
>>> Until all of the manufacturers catch up with ultra low power connection 
>>> discovery, it is highly recommended that you manually eject your drive 
>>> through OS X Finder prior to any time you plan to let your computer sleep, 
>>> or before you turn it off. 
>>> This should be rule of thumb for any external storage devices connected to 
>>> a Mac
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2014, at 10:36 am, Stephen Chape <chap...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi folks …. FYI
>>>> 
>>>> I emailed Imation to ask if any of their portable external drives had been 
>>>> configured yet to handle the later Mac’s low powered sleep mode. They 
>>>> eject when Mac is in sleep mode.
>>>> 
>>>> Following is their reply and my response to their reply.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Stephen,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to contact our Technical Support Department.
>>>>> Regarding your inquiry, we don't have any device that has the ability to
>>>>> change this feature. Unfortunately, when your computer goes to sleep mode,
>>>>> our devices to to Sleep mode as well. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Therefore, when the computer wakes up, it doesn't have enough energy to 
>>>>> wake
>>>>> up the unit and you need to unplug it and plug it back in to use it again.
>>>>> In this case, we don't have any information to fix this problem since the
>>>>> issue is with the power on the computer. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope you find this information useful. If you require any more 
>>>>> assistance,
>>>>> please feel free to contact us back. We'll be glad to assist you. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brian Aguilar
>>>>> Technical Support Specialist
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your prompt reply regarding this matter.
>>>> I was told about 12 months ago by other members of my Mac Users Group that 
>>>> portable HD manufacturers had not yet caught up with Apple’s low powered 
>>>> sleep technology. I thought that Imation may have moved forward by now.
>>>> 
>>>> I therefore consider the issue to be with Imation and not with Apple !
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you once again for your prompt reply.
>>>> 
>>>> On 10 Jun 2014, at 1:44 am, Imation Support <techsupp...@imation.com> 
>>>> wrote:
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Stephen Chape

Mac by choice
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