Hi Ronni,
Does this apply to iPhones on ios8, too?
Thank you,
Michael
Sent from my iPhone
> On 28 Sep 2015, at 8:40 am, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> Yes Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers.
> Walter
>
> *****************************************************
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes
>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>>
>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to
>> the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>
>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Walter
>>>
>>> ***************************************************************************
>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised
>>>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent
>>>>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause
>>>>> more problems than they claim to fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about
>>>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus
>>>> programs.
>>>> The short answer is NO.
>>>>
>>>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>>>>
>>>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>>>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The
>>>> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give
>>>> the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called
>>>> "viruses." There is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
>>>>
>>>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect
>>>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the
>>>> Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of tYes
>>>> Ronni, I certainly will. It’s already archived.
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers.
> Walter
>
> *****************************************************
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 17:37 , Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well... No... It's not really anti-virus software.
>> But I do not recommend and have never recommended that Malwarebytes
>> Anti-Malware software be installed on current OS X systems.
>>
>> Please read thoroughly all the documentation I posted in my last reply to
>> the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>
>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 4:46 pm, FW <whae...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not really anti-virus software, is it Ronni ?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Walter
>>>
>>> ***************************************************************************
>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Malwarebytes, anti-malware for Mac
>>>> Date: 27 September 2015 13:18:50 GMT+8
>>>> To: WAMUG <wamug@wamug.org.au>
>>>> Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 11:58 am, Graham Rabe <gra...@rabe.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A week or two ago Peter Marks on ABC Breakfast with Fran Kelly advised
>>>>> against installing any Apple virus protection software given that recent
>>>>> security upgrades have made them largely redundant and they seem to cause
>>>>> more problems than they claim to fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> I agree! In my previous reply I only supplied the information about
>>>> Malwarebytes anti-malware for Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Peter, Daniel & I have posted numerous times re: Do Macs need Anti-Virus
>>>> programs.
>>>> The short answer is NO.
>>>>
>>>> Below I quote from Linc Davis - Level 10 Apple Support Communities
>>>>
>>>> /Begin Quote from Linc Davis:
>>>> Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The
>>>> answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give
>>>> the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called
>>>> "viruses." There is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.
>>>>
>>>> 1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect
>>>> yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the
>>>> Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the
>>>> user's actions. It does not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers,
>>>> that may be installed deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access
>>>> to the computer, or who has been able to log in to it remotely. That
>>>> threat is in a different category, and there's no easy way to defend
>>>> against it.
>>>>
>>>> The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in
>>>> sections 5, 6, and 10.
>>>>
>>>> OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically
>>>> against malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable,
>>>> sandboxing, system library randomization, and address space layout
>>>> randomization that may also guard against other kinds of exploits.
>>>>
>>>> 2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac
>>>> malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This
>>>> feature is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."
>>>>
>>>> The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically
>>>> updated; however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are
>>>> always at least a day ahead of the defenders.
>>>>
>>>> The following caveats apply to XProtect:
>>>>
>>>> ☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as
>>>> BitTorrent clients and Java applets.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software
>>>> installed from a CD or other media is not checked.
>>>>
>>>> As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will
>>>> indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions
>>>> such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be
>>>> degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being
>>>> released at some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of
>>>> attack besides malware.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in
>>>> malware protection, designated "Gatekeeper" by Apple. By default,
>>>> applications and Installer packages downloaded from the network will only
>>>> run if they're digitally signed by a developer with a certificate issued
>>>> by Apple. Software certified in this way hasn't necessarily been tested by
>>>> Apple, but you can be reasonably sure that it hasn't been modified by
>>>> anyone other than the developer. His identity is known to Apple, so he
>>>> could be held legally responsible if he distributed malware. That may not
>>>> mean much if the developer lives in a country with a weak legal system
>>>> (see below.)
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper doesn't depend on a database of known malware. It has, however,
>>>> the same limitations as XProtect, and in addition the following:
>>>>
>>>> ☞ It can easily be disabled or overridden by the user.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ A malware attacker could get control of a code-signing certificate under
>>>> false pretenses, or could simply ignore the consequences of distributing
>>>> codesigned malware.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ An App Store developer could find a way to bypass Apple's oversight, or
>>>> the oversight could fail due to human error.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has so far failed to revoke the codesigning certificates of some
>>>> known abusers, thereby diluting the value of Gatekeeper and the Developer
>>>> ID program. These failures don't involve App Store products, however.
>>>>
>>>> For the reasons given, App Store products, and—to a lesser extent—other
>>>> applications recognized by Gatekeeper as signed, are safer than others,
>>>> but they can't be considered absolutely safe. "Sandboxed" applications may
>>>> prompt for access to private data, such as your contacts, or for access to
>>>> the network. Think before granting that access. Sandbox security is based
>>>> on user input. Never click through any request for authorization without
>>>> thinking.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added:
>>>> a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background
>>>> when you update the OS. It checks for, and removes, malware that may have
>>>> evaded the other protections via a Java exploit (see below.) MRT also runs
>>>> when you install or update the Apple-supplied Java runtime (but not the
>>>> Oracle runtime.) Like XProtect, MRT is effective against known threats,
>>>> but not against unknown ones. It notifies you if it finds malware, but
>>>> otherwise there's no user interface to MRT.
>>>>
>>>> 5. The built-in security features of OS X reduce the risk of malware
>>>> attack, but they are not, and never will be, complete protection. Malware
>>>> is foremost a problem of human behaviour, and no technological fix alone
>>>> is going to solve it. Trusting software to protect you will only make you
>>>> more vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>> The best defense is always going to be your own intelligence. With the
>>>> possible exception of Java exploits, all known malware circulating on the
>>>> Internet that affects a fully-updated installation of OS X 10.6 or later
>>>> takes the form of so-called "Trojan horses," which can only have an effect
>>>> if the victim is duped into running them. The threat therefore amounts to
>>>> a battle of wits between you and Internet criminals. If you're better
>>>> informed than they think you are, you'll win. That means, in practice,
>>>> that you always stay within a safe harbor of computing practices. How do
>>>> you know when you're leaving the safe harbor? Below are some warning signs
>>>> of danger.
>>>>
>>>> Software from an untrustworthy source
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Software of any kind is distributed via BitTorrent, or Usenet, or on a
>>>> website that also distributes pirated music or movies.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Software with a corporate brand, such as Adobe Flash Player, doesn't
>>>> come directly from the developer’s website. Do not trust an alert from any
>>>> website to update Flash, or your browser, or any other software.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Rogue websites such as Softonic, Soft32, and CNET Download distribute
>>>> free applications that have been packaged in a superfluous "installer."
>>>>
>>>> ☞ The software is advertised by means of spam or intrusive web ads. Any
>>>> ad, on any site, that includes a direct link to a download should be
>>>> ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Software that is plainly illegal or does something illegal
>>>>
>>>> ☞ High-priced commercial software such as Photoshop is "cracked" or "free."
>>>>
>>>> ☞ An application helps you to infringe copyright, for instance by
>>>> circumventing the copy protection on commercial software, or saving
>>>> streamed media for reuse without permission. All "YouTube downloaders" are
>>>> in this category, though not all are necessarily malicious.
>>>>
>>>> Conditional or unsolicited offers from strangers
>>>>
>>>> ☞ A telephone caller or a web page tells you that you have a “virus” and
>>>> offers to help you remove it. (Some reputable websites did legitimately
>>>> warn visitors who were infected with the "DNSChanger" malware. That
>>>> exception to this rule no longer applies.)
>>>>
>>>> ☞ A web site offers free content such as video or music, but to use it you
>>>> must install a “codec,” “plug-in,” "player," "downloader," "extractor," or
>>>> “certificate” that comes from that same site, or an unknown one.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ You win a prize in a contest you never entered.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Someone on a message board such as this one is eager to help you, but
>>>> only if you download an application of his choosing.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ A "FREE WI-FI !!!" network advertises itself in a public place such as
>>>> an airport, but is not provided by the management.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Anything online that you would expect to pay for is "free."
>>>>
>>>> Unexpected events
>>>>
>>>> ☞ A file is downloaded automatically when you visit a web page, with no
>>>> other action on your part. Delete any such file without opening it.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ You open what you think is a document and get an alert that it's "an
>>>> application downloaded from the Internet." Click Cancel and delete the
>>>> file. Even if you don't get the alert, you should still delete any file
>>>> that isn't what you expected it to be.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ An application does something you don't expect, such as asking for
>>>> permission to access your contacts, your location, or the Internet for no
>>>> obvious reason.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Software is attached to email that you didn't request, even if it comes
>>>> (or seems to come) from someone you trust.
>>>>
>>>> I don't say that leaving the safe harbor just once will necessarily result
>>>> in disaster, but making a habit of it will weaken your defenses against
>>>> malware attack. Any of the above scenarios should, at the very least, make
>>>> you uncomfortable.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Java on the Web (not to be confused with JavaScript, to which it's not
>>>> related, despite the similarity of the names) is a weak point in the
>>>> security of any system. Java is, among other things, a platform for
>>>> running complex applications in a web page, on the client. That was always
>>>> a bad idea, and Java's developers have proven themselves incapable of
>>>> implementing it without also creating a portal for malware to enter. Past
>>>> Java exploits are the closest thing there has ever been to a Windows-style
>>>> virus affecting OS X. Merely loading a page with malicious Java content
>>>> could be harmful.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, client-side Java on the Web is obsolete and mostly extinct.
>>>> Only a few outmoded sites still use it. Try to hasten the process of
>>>> extinction by avoiding those sites, if you have a choice. Forget about
>>>> playing games or other non-essential uses of Java.
>>>>
>>>> Java is not included in OS X 10.7 and later. Discrete Java installers are
>>>> distributed by Apple and by Oracle (the developer of Java.) Don't use
>>>> either one unless you need it. Most people don't. If Java is installed,
>>>> disable it—not JavaScript—in your browsers.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of version, experience has shown that Java on the Web can't be
>>>> trusted. If you must use a Java applet for a task on a specific site,
>>>> enable Java only for that site in Safari. Never enable Java for a public
>>>> website that carries third-party advertising. Use it only on well-known,
>>>> login-protected, secure websites without ads. In Safari 6 or later, you'll
>>>> see a lock icon in the left side of the address bar when visiting a secure
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> Stay within the safe harbor, and you’ll be as safe from malware as you can
>>>> practically be. The rest of this comment concerns what you should not do
>>>> to protect yourself.
>>>>
>>>> 7. Never install any commercial "anti-virus" (AV) or "Internet security"
>>>> products for the Mac, as they are all worse than useless. If you need to
>>>> be able to detect Windows malware in your files, use one of the free
>>>> security apps in the Mac App Store—nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> Why shouldn't you use commercial AV products?
>>>>
>>>> ☞ To recognize malware, the software depends on a database of known
>>>> threats, which is always at least a day out of date. This technique is a
>>>> proven failure, as a major AV software vendor has admitted. Most attacks
>>>> are "zero-day"—that is, previously unknown. Recognition-based AV does not
>>>> defend against such attacks, and the enterprise IT industry is coming to
>>>> the realization that traditional AV software is worthless.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Its design is predicated on the nonexistent threat that malware may be
>>>> injected at any time, anywhere in the file system. Malware is downloaded
>>>> from the network; it doesn't materialize from nowhere. In order to meet
>>>> that nonexistent threat, commercial AV software modifies or duplicates
>>>> low-level functions of the operating system, which is a waste of resources
>>>> and a common cause of instability, bugs, and poor performance.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ By modifying the operating system, the software may also create
>>>> weaknesses that could be exploited by malware attackers.
>>>>
>>>> ☞ Most importantly, a false sense of security is dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> 8. An AV product from the App Store, such as "ClamXav," has the same
>>>> drawback as the commercial suites of being always out of date, but it does
>>>> not inject low-level code into the operating system. That doesn't mean
>>>> it's entirely harmless. It may report email messages that have "phishing"
>>>> links in the body, or Windows malware in attachments, as infected files,
>>>> and offer to delete or move them. Doing so will corrupt the Mail database.
>>>> The messages should be deleted from within the Mail application.
>>>>
>>>> An AV app is not needed, and cannot be relied upon, for protection against
>>>> OS X malware. It's useful, if at all, only for detecting Windows malware,
>>>> and even for that use it's not really effective, because new Windows
>>>> malware is emerging much faster than OS X malware.
>>>>
>>>> Windows malware can't harm you directly (unless, of course, you use
>>>> Windows.) Just don't pass it on to anyone else. A malicious attachment in
>>>> email is usually easy to recognize by the name alone. An actual example:
>>>>
>>>> London Terror Moovie.avi [124 spaces] Checked By Norton Antivirus.exe
>>>>
>>>> You don't need software to tell you that's a Windows trojan. Software may
>>>> be able to tell you which trojan it is, but who cares? In practice,
>>>> there's no reason to use recognition software unless an organizational
>>>> policy requires it. Windows malware is so widespread that you should
>>>> assume it's in every email attachment until proven otherwise.
>>>> Nevertheless, ClamXav or a similar product from the App Store may serve a
>>>> purpose if it satisfies an ill-informed network administrator who says you
>>>> must run some kind of AV application. It's free and it won't handicap the
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> The ClamXav developer won't try to "upsell" you to a paid version of the
>>>> product. Other developers may do that. Don't be upsold. For one thing, you
>>>> should not pay to protect Windows users from the consequences of their
>>>> choice of computing platform. For another, a paid upgrade from a free app
>>>> will probably have all the disadvantages mentioned in section 7.
>>>>
>>>> 9. It seems to be a common belief that the built-in Application Firewall
>>>> acts as a barrier to infection, or prevents malware from functioning. It
>>>> does neither. It blocks inbound connections to certain network services
>>>> you're running, such as file sharing. It's disabled by default and you
>>>> should leave it that way if you're behind a router on a private home or
>>>> office network. Activate it only when you're on an untrusted network, for
>>>> instance a public Wi-Fi hotspot, where you don't want to provide services.
>>>> Disable any services you don't use in the Sharing preference pane. All are
>>>> disabled by default.
>>>>
>>>> 10. As a Mac user, you don't have to live in fear that your computer may
>>>> be infected every time you install software, read email, or visit a web
>>>> page. But neither can you assume that you will always be safe from
>>>> exploitation, no matter what you do. Navigating the Internet is like
>>>> walking the streets of a big city. It's as safe or as dangerous as you
>>>> choose to make it. The greatest harm done by security software is
>>>> precisely its selling point: it makes people feel safe. They may then feel
>>>> safe enough to take risks from which the software doesn't protect them.
>>>> Nothing can lessen the need for safe computing practices.
>>>> /End Quote from Linc Davis
>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>> Now, Apple Support and my added comments below:
>>>> Are you running Mavericks OS X 10.9.5 or Yosemite OS X 10.10.x?
>>>>
>>>> Do Macs really need Anti-virus protection?
>>>>
>>>> OS X - It's built to keep your Mac safe
>>>> <https://www.apple.com/au/osx/what-is/security.html>
>>>>
>>>> OS X Mavericks - Protect your Mac from malware
>>>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14365>
>>>>
>>>> OS X Mavericks - Protect your Mac
>>>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/PH13730>
>>>>
>>>> About File Quarantine in OS X
>>>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3662>
>>>>
>>>> About Security of OS X Yosemite
>>>> Tiny URL
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/oueejqa
>>>>
>>>> OS X already includes everything it needs to protect itself from viruses
>>>> and malware, and it's free. Apple recommends keeping your Mac updated with
>>>> software updates from Apple. Refer to the links above, which apply equally
>>>> to Mavericks as well as its predecessor.
>>>>
>>>> A much better question is "how should I protect my Mac":
>>>>
>>>> • Never install any product that claims to "speed up", "clean up",
>>>> "optimize", or "accelerate" your Mac. Without exception, they will do the
>>>> opposite.
>>>>
>>>> • Never install pirated or "cracked" software, software obtained from
>>>> dubious websites, or other questionable sources. Illegally obtained
>>>> software is almost certain to contain malware.
>>>>
>>>> • Don’t supply your password in response to a popup window requesting it,
>>>> unless you know what it is and the reason your credentials are required.
>>>>
>>>> • Don’t open email attachments from email addresses that you do not
>>>> recognize, or click links contained in an email:
>>>> • Most of these are scams that direct you to fraudulent sites that attempt
>>>> to convince you to disclose personal information.
>>>> • Such "phishing" attempts are the 21st century equivalent of a social
>>>> exploit that has existed since the dawn of civilization. Don’t fall for it.
>>>>
>>>> • Apple will never ask you to reveal personal information in an email. If
>>>> you receive an unexpected email from Apple saying your account will be
>>>> closed unless you take immediate action, just ignore it. If your iTunes or
>>>> App Store account becomes disabled for valid reasons, you will know when
>>>> you try to buy something or log in to this support site, and are unable to.
>>>>
>>>> • Don’t install browser extensions unless you understand their purpose. Go
>>>> to the Safari menu > Preferences > Extensions. If you see any extensions
>>>> that you do not recognize or understand, simply click the Uninstall button
>>>> and they will be gone.
>>>>
>>>> • Don’t install Java unless you are certain that you need it:
>>>> • Java, a non-Apple product, is a potential vector for malware. If you are
>>>> required to use Java, be mindful of that possibility.
>>>> • Disable Java in Safari > Preferences > Security.
>>>> • Despite its name JavaScript is unrelated to Java. No malware can infect
>>>> your Mac through JavaScript. It’s OK to leave it enabled.
>>>>
>>>> • Block browser popups: Safari menu > Preferences > Security > and check
>>>> "Block popup windows":
>>>> • Popup windows are useful and required for some websites, but popups have
>>>> devolved to become a common means to deliver targeted advertising that you
>>>> probably do not want.
>>>> • Popups themselves cannot infect your Mac, but many contain
>>>> resource-hungry code that will slow down Internet browsing.
>>>> • If you ever see a popup indicating it detected registry errors, that
>>>> your Mac is infected with some ick, or that you won some prize, it is 100%
>>>> fraudulent. Ignore it.
>>>>
>>>> • Ignore hyperventilating popular media outlets that thrive by promoting
>>>> fear and discord with entertainment products arrogantly presented as
>>>> "news". Learn what real threats actually exist and how to arm yourself
>>>> against them:
>>>> • The most serious threat to your data security is phishing. To date, most
>>>> of these attempts have been pathetic and are easily recognized, but that
>>>> is likely to change in the future as criminals become more clever.
>>>>
>>>> • OS X viruses do not exist, but intentionally malicious or poorly written
>>>> code, created by either nefarious or inept individuals, is nothing new.
>>>>
>>>> • Never install something without first knowing what it is, what it does,
>>>> how it works, and how to get rid of it when you don’t want it any more.
>>>>
>>>> • If you elect to use "anti-virus" software, familiarise yourself with its
>>>> limitations and potential to cause adverse effects, and apply the
>>>> principle immediately preceding this one.
>>>> • Most such utilities will only slow down and destabilise your Mac while
>>>> they look for viruses that do not exist, conveying no benefit whatsoever -
>>>> other than to make you "feel good" about security, when you should
>>>> actually be exercising sound judgment, derived from accurate knowledge,
>>>> based on verifiable facts.
>>>>
>>>> • Do install updates from Apple as they become available. No one knows
>>>> more about Macs and how to protect them than the company that builds them.
>>>>
>>>> Summary: Use common sense and caution when you use your Mac, just like you
>>>> would in any social context. There is no product, utility, or magic
>>>> talisman that can protect you from all the evils of mankind."
>>>> /End Quote
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>>
>>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>>>
>>>> OS X Yosemite 10.10.2
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