Nice to know I'm not an orphan. I've been using Apple computers since about 1994, and feel the same frustration., including the Photo debacle.
Cheers, Michael Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Oct 2015, at 9:38 PM, Rob Phillips <r.phill...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have been > thinking. > > I agree with Bill > > "I want stuff that works when I need it." > > Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac > products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been used > to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have multiple windows > open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder for me to do this. > Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open Folders in a new window > without right-clicking. It took me months to find out about this by trial and > error. Apple should have told me! Previously, I had a preference about how > this behaved. > > In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my > computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. taking > away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones. > > Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another example > which I didn't ask for. I didn't even know I would lose many of my smart > albums until AFTER I upgraded. > > It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and doesn't > recognise long-term users. > This is an interesting discussion, and it resonates with the way I have been > thinking. > > I agree with Bill > > "I want stuff that works when I need it." > > Over recent years, I've become increasingly dissatisfied with Apple Mac > products, because they continue to remove functionality that I have been used > to using efficiently. I'm a 'messy' user, and I like to have multiple windows > open at once. Recent OS upgrades have made it harder for me to do this. > Unless I hide the Finder Toolbar, I can't open Folders in a new window > without right-clicking. It took me months to find out about this by trial and > error. Apple should have told me! Previously, I had a preference about how > this behaved. > > In other words, I'm getting sick of Apple telling me how I should use my > computer, and removing my options for doing things differently. E.g. taking > away scroll bars because you can swipe on iphones. > > Forcing me to move to Photos, with reduced functionality, was another example > which I didn't ask for. I didn't even know I would lose many of my smart > albums until AFTER I upgraded. > > It seems like Apple has a philosophy that everyone is a new user, and doesn't > recognise long-term users. > > I'm seriously considering other options, but I guess a Linux variety is the > only option,and this will take an extended learning curve. > > One day I'll reach a tipping point, but, in the meantime, I can hope that > Apple will stop trying to control my behaviour. > > My 2c > Rob > > >> On 10/10/2015 7:18 am, Bill Parker wrote: >> Phillipe I can sum it up this way. I want stuff that works when I need it. >> The comparison with Windows still has Mac in a different league and vastly >> superior. However, the way things are going, I get limited or no value >> from the constant upgrades. And as you may have seen in the recent past I >> had to open a document in Pages. I had to upgrade the system. the very >> LEADT Apple could do is alert users to some very simples to take before you >> download ( thanks Ronni for the help!) >> >> What stuff do I need? Office ( because I need to keep compatible with >> group I work with). Word for Mac 2011 was assuredly worse that it >> predessor. And Power point. if going to El Capitan wrecks that critical >> operation I an stuffed. >> >> Security? I do not use iCloud. I do not use anything Google and do not >> need to. I have a Time machine sitting next to me, not in California! >> >> Bill >> >>> On 10 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Philippe Chaperon <laut...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> The previous emails on this thread are interesting but I somehow do not >>> grasp what exactly some users are looking for with regards to the OS. Is it >>> the Operating System which is becoming too complex or powerful or is it the >>> amount of Application Softwares which come with a computer that is the >>> problem? >>> >>> For those who want basic application softwares they are available, albeit >>> for a price (most are quite cheap). Some of the applications I use are >>> fairly basic e.g. for my photos I use Graphic Converter because I have >>> problems in constantly having my Photos, ex iPhotos, libraries converted >>> etc. Although I have MS Office, most of my word processing is done with >>> Mellel, a powerful application but not as ‘bloated’ as Word. In fact for a >>> quick and short document Text Edit comes to my rescue quite happily. >>> >>> With regards to the operating system itself, unfortunately the computing >>> world is constantly evolving and what with the hotly contested competition >>> from Windows and Android, if Apple does not keep up with the latest >>> technologies it will loose ground very quickly. A good analogy is the car >>> industry. A current car manufacturer who dares produce a car without >>> electric windows and/or an electric starter motor, side valves operated by >>> push rods etc would not survive the highly competitive modern car market. >>> The current consumers, in the majority, are looking for the very latest in >>> technology for safety and economy and will not hesitate to swap brands if >>> this requirement is not met by the car or computer or camera etc >>> manufacturer. >>> >>> Although the above analogy is simplistic, this is the argument I use to >>> convince myself to install the latest OS on my Macs. The latest technology >>> provides greater efficiency, uses the latest technology, which once >>> learned, will make my life much easier. And above all the updates allow me >>> to surf the net which itself keeps evolving using new technology. Many >>> ‘old’ browsers would not be able to cope with all that latest internet >>> technology. >>> >>> I agree that it is difficult to keep learning the new OS, but at least we >>> Mac users have not had to suffer the pains our brothers from that ‘other’ >>> OS have go through with each major update. Having used Apple products since >>> the IIc came out I am surprised at how consistent the OS has been, from the >>> user’s end. But I have to add that I am not a heavy user and admit that I >>> possibly use only 2% or so of the OS available functions. >>> >>> By the way Allen, I also use Snow Leopard on my now ancient MacBook, and >>> this will have to stay as is because I doubt the hardware will cope with >>> the latest OS. >>> >>> Have a nice weekend all and sorry for my rant! >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Philippe C >>> Perth, Australie Occidentale >>> >>> >>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 11:02 am, Allen <all...@amnet.net.au> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Peter >>> >>> I think you are being a little hard on those still running Snow Leoard. I >>> use a MacBook Pro bought in 2006. It functions well and does all I need >>> including banking and photos but it cannot run OS10.7 or later. To do that >>> I have to buy a new one. >>> >>> Behind me there is an iMac running OS10.10.5 which my wife mainly uses but >>> is full of stuff we don't want, don't use and we don't know what most of it >>> is. Carolyn curses as each upgrade changes things that we were fairly happy >>> with before, especially iPhoto now Photos. So I think I agree with Bill >>> Parker about "being fit for usage" as our iMac is loaded with stuff we will >>> never use but it still gets backed up many times a day >>> >>> Wouldn't be nice to have a basic OS that you could add to as needed >>> >>> Regards Allen >>> >>>> On 08/10/2015, at 9:55 AM, Bill Parker wrote: >>>> >>>> Peter, >>>> I come from a point of view of “being fit for usage” and conclude that >>>> neither the Mac as is with El Kapitan and the Windows 10 on the dark are >>>> thoroughly fit for purpose. If we saw vacuum cleaners in the same light, >>>> things would get fixed! And I have reached the point where I am getting >>>> more and more reluctant to grab the next upgrade as soon as it hits the >>>> street. >>>> >>>> There is no answer i know - but hey would it not be useful if somebody at >>>> Apple asked what the users actually wanted??? e.g. Windows 7 is not >>>> easy. Microsoft Office has not been “improved” since version some years >>>> back, and for something that most only use the tip of the iceberg, Word >>>> and Powerpoint could be made available in cut down basic forms. The power >>>> point crashing with El Kapitan is getting many people angry. >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8 Oct 2015, at 08:22, Peter Hinchliffe <hinch...@multiline.com.au> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s a little sobering to realise that Tiger (OS X 10.4) is now 10 years >>>>> old! Even the venerable Snow Leopard, which for many still has to be >>>>> dragged from their cold, dead hands, is 6 years old. Tempus fugit… >>>>> >>>>> For a brief history of Mac OS X in all its versions, have a look at >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.git-tower.com/blog/history-of-osx/?ref=webdesignernews.com> >>>>> >>>>> Temmus is certainly fugitting! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer Services >>>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer >>>>> Perth, Western Australia >>>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482 Mob 0403 046 948 >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. >>>>> >>>>> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
