On 4/29/06, Ambon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Berbeda dengan kibutz. Kibutz semua berproduksi untuk kepentingan semua.
>
> Mungkin seperti ular kobra yang menyeprot ludahnya [spit cobra] yang
> beracun, tetapi sperma yang disemprot tidak beracun :-))
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ari Condro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Fatwa "Progresif"? Nikah al-Misywar
>
>
> > wah, kayak kibbutz di Israel :))
> >
> > On 4/29/06, L.Meilany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pak Dwi,
> >> Ini ketinggalan zaman :-))
> >> Nikah a-misywar sudah dilakukan sejak dulu, tapi mungkin istilahnya
> lain.
> >>
> >> Ini sudah terjadi di kalangan jamaah islam asal Malaysia.
> >> Kemungkinan kalo cuma jadi isteri [ baca ibu rumah tangga] saja nggak
> >> kerjamenghasilkan duit; bisa2 nggak makan.... :-(
> >> Suaminya kan nggak tau tinggalnya dimana, nomaden. Dari istri satu ke
> >> istri lain.
> >> Apalagi kalo yg tinggalnya berkelompok.
> >>
> >> Suami yg punya banyak isteri, cuma datang sekedar setor sperma,
> produksi
> >> anak yg banyak.
> >> Nggak ada istilah 'rumah' untuk hidup suami isteri pada umumnya.
> >> Terutamanya bagi mereka yg memutuskan untuk hidup di komunitas, didalam
> >> 'perkampungan' -rame2.
> >> Ada 'barak' /kamar besar khusus untuk kaum perempuan, ada barak/kamar
> >> besar khusus untuk kaum laki2.
> >> Ada barak besar khusus untuk anak2.
> >> Ada 'rumah' - satu kamar yg bisa di huni bergantian, bagi pasangan
> >> yg mau melakukan seks.
> >> Di pekanbaru saya lihat, ada 'rumah' - kamar panggung.
> >> Maksudnya kayak kotak yg disangga, hanya ada satu 'kamar tidur' dengan
> >> 'kamar mandi' di dalam, di
> >> ruangan inilah masing2 pasangan menunaikan syahwatnya.
> >>
> >> salam
> >> l.meilany
> >>
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> >> From: Dwi W. Soegardi
> >> To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com ;
> >> keluarga-sejahtera@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:09 PM
> >> Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Fatwa "Progresif"? Nikah al-Misywar
> >>
> >>
> >> salam,
> >>
> >> Majelis Fikih Islam yang berpusat di Mekkah, baru-baru ini
> membolehkan
> >> "nikah misywar", pernikahan tanpa kedua belah pihak tinggal bersama
> >> dalam satu rumah dan meniadakan tanggung jawab nafkah pada suami.
> >> Jadi hubungan suami-istri terbatas pada hubungan sex?
> >> Yang jelas pihak perempuan pada posisi dirugikan.
> >>
> >> Mohon klarifikasinya ustadz Aman, dan fukaha-fukaha WM/KS lainnya.
> >>
> >> salam,
> >> DWS
> >>
> >> http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=4711
> >>
> >> Al Misyar Marriage
> >>
> >> 26/04/2006
> >>
> >> In the heart of the capital of the Islamic world, Mecca, the Islamic
> >> Jurisprudence Academy discussed a number of issues that are of
> >> concern to Muslims worldwide. In a "surprising" move, the Academy
> >> issued a fatwa (religious edict) sanctioning Zawaj al Misyar, or a
> >> marriage without the couple living together in the same house, where
> >> the husband is not financially responsible for his wife. This type of
> >> marriage remains controversial; a number of jurists regard is as
> >> merely a way to legitimize sexual relations. Lately, much discussion
> >> has occurred about the various types of marriage, including al Misyar
> >> and al Mutaa (where a date of expiration for the marriage is added to
> >> the marriage contract).
> >>
> >> Instead of focusing on a trivial issue such as the al Misyar
> >> marriage, the Academy ought to have examined the numerous problems
> >> that arise as a result of divorce and the injustices inflicted on
> >> women by their menfolk as the former try to leave a failed marriage,
> >> filled with humiliation and oppression, and discussed ways to
> >> guarantee their rights to see their children. Despite the meetings
> >> taking place in full view of the public, the matters outlined above
> >> were ignored. Instead, fatwas that satisfy a number of men were
> >> discussed at length. Readers who are familiar with front-page adverts
> >> for sexual stimulators and cures for male sexual problems in Saudi
> >> newspapers might be under the impression that there are no concerns
> >> more pressing that sex and justifying it! Yet, the real challenge
> >> rests in the necessity and the importance of developing fatwas about
> >> the family to do justice to women and end practices that oppress
> >> them.
> >>
> >> This unequal treatment of women which disregards their rights as
> >> human beings and as mothers contributes, to a large extent, to the
> >> consecration of a troubled society. As such, more problems are to be
> >> expected. Divorce and its aftermath has become a cancerous ill that
> >> has ravaged Saudi society. To date, it is discussed solely in
> >> academic and media circles. The real challenge is to develop
> >> religious edicts that are clear and decisive and give women their
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> The latest decisions taken by the Islamic Jurisprudence Academy,
> >> especially those related to Zawaj al Misyar, reveal the shortcomings
> >> of certain aspects of jurisprudence and its detachment from facing
> >> social challenges according to its real importance and priorities. If
> >> the Islamic Jurisprudence Academies continues to disregard important
> >> issues, problems the Muslim faces will continue to be denied. This
> >> will prove very costly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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