Iya mba Mei, memang nggak ada yang sempurna dari sudut pandang siapapun. Dari sudut pandang sebagian anggota WM yang mengajukan keberatan, mungkin nggak bisa minta pak Ambon atau siapapun, termasuk moderator, untuk menyeleksi berita apa tentang apa, nggak realistis kalau dihadapkan dengan keterbatasan kita semua.
Sebaliknya dari sudut pandang Ambon, dia juga nggak realistis untuk mengharap bahwa jumlah berita yang blio posting dapat diterima semua pihak tanpa ada yang mengajukan keberatan, dan mengharap kita semua rajin mendelete, dsb. Karena itu setiap kita harus menghadapi keadaan yang nggak sempurna ini dengan cara masing-masing berkontribusi. Misalnya Ambon membatasi postingannya 5 per hari, plus tulisannya sendiri, misalnya. Kita sendiri meramaikan postingan Ambon dengan tanggapan2 kita, menunjukkan bahwa milis ini sebagai living intermedia. Kalo OOT yah dimaklumi saja, toh nggak sesuatu apapun yang bisa membatasi jalannya pikiran kita. Ambon sendiri blum menjawab apa blio setuju mengirimkan jumlah artikel yang acceptable, tapi tampaknya itu sudah dilakukannya. Makasih ya Pak Ambon. salam Mia --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, "L.Meilany" <wpamu...@...> wrote: > > Semua kan ada plus minus. > Secanggih apapun yg namanya BB, notbuk, PC pastinya punya lebih dan kurang. > Gak ada yg sempurna. > > Baca koran juga gitu. Ada yg gak suka iklan baris tapi ada yg sangat suka. > Terus terang saja saya kalo baca koran tak pernah melewatkan iklan kematian. > Engkoh di toko bangunan dekat rumah juga gitu, kalo dia sih baca iklan > kematian karena senang ngumpulin nama2 > yg katanya bagus2 bisa jadi insipirasi untuk kasih nama cucunya. > > Salam, > l.meilany > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Abbas > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:26 AM > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: 5 berita maximum, setuju pak ambon? > > > > masalahnya bukan gak apa apa ; kalo kita mo nyari tulisan yang penting, > kita jadi kesulitan, akibat tertutup banyknya tulisan macam forwardan. Kalau > berguna sih dak apa. Tapi kalau sembarang forwardan kan kaya baca koran ? > Iklan baris ! Apa yang menambah ilmu kalau > begitu ? Lebih bagus dia forward, trus dia kasih komentar pake nalar > sendiri jangan hanya sekedar ngirim doangan ? > > --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, "L.Meilany" <wpamungk@> wrote: > > > > Saya pikir gak pa-pa juga Pak Ambon Sunny ngirim banyak2 artikel. > > Kalo tak suka langsung delete saja. > > Kan keliatan gitu dari judulnya. > > Kalo saya kebetulan juga lebih lebih suka baca koran, majalah langganan, > majalah boleh pinjam, gratisan, > > hobi numpang baca di gramed ; jadi kebanyakan artikel yg pak Ambon kirim > biasanya sudah saya tahu. > > > > Sepengetahuan saya jarang gitu milis yg bahas masalah khusus bisa > bernapas setiap hari > > kecuali WM. > > Lantaran ada artikel2 yg dikirim Pak Ambon bertubi-tubi maka tetep nyala > gitulah. > > Ya meskipun artikelnya gak nyambung; OOT tapi kan ada juga yg suka > komentarin :-) > > > > Mendingan mana, WM nya cuma buka toko 2 atau 3 hari sekali atau setiap > hari? > > Kali musti di bikin polling gitu supaya adil :-) > > Lantas nanti di set kalo yg suka ngirim2 bertubi-tubi atau tak sesuai > misi WM musti di 'moderasi' :-) > > Mohon maap > > > > salam, > > l.meilany > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Lina > > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:12 AM > > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: 5 berita maximum, setuju pak ambon? > > > > > > > > > > Om, Tradisi baca juga dah diajarin sama Allah via AlQur'an. Ane dah > faham. Tapi kan baca itu buanyak sekali sumbernya dan jenisnya. Nah sumber > yang ada di milis ini sudah memilih 'ciri khas'nya sendiri. Untuk itu ane > datang ke milis ini, selaen ane juga hadir di milis2 laen. > > > > Ane gak mungkin dateng ke dokter gigi untuk ngobatin panu ane. Ane gak > mungkin googling foto panas seleb ke milis WM. Pan gitu. > > > > Ane gemar baca, tapi ane milih2 or selektip gitu, karena waktu ane yang > terbatas. > > > > Coba ente knape gak kirimin loper ente yg seabrek abrek ini ke FPK dengan > alasan or niat yang sama yaitu biar menambah wawasan? > > > > Salam klise, > > > > --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, "sunny" <ambon@> wrote: > > > > > > > p://thejakartaglobe.com/home/forum-indonesia-membaca-instills-a-love-for-the-written-word/347144 > > > > > > > > > Forum Indonesia Membaca's programs to encourage reading include story > sessions, book discussions and writing workshops. It also holds an annual > event, 'World Book Day Indonesia.' (Photos courtesy of Forum Indonesia > Membaca) > > > > > > > > > > > > Forum Indonesia Membaca Instills a Love for the Written Word > > > > > > The benefits of reading cannot be emphasized enough. Reading opens a > window onto the wider world, and helps create well-informed and more > knowledgeable citizens. > > > > > > Unfortunately, reading is not a big part of Indonesian culture - or at > least, that's what Dessy Sekar Astina believes. > > > > > > Dessy is the program director of Forum Indonesia Membaca (Indonesian > Reading Forum), a nonprofit organization that seeks to promote reading among > young people. > > > > > > "Our young people don't seem to make reading a part of their daily > routine, and that's sad," she said. > > > > > > Forum Indonesia Membaca was established in October 2001 by 15 people > who believed that instilling a reading culture among young Indonesians was > one way they could contribute to the country's progress. > > > > > > Ade Oktarini, a member of the organization since 2003, said most young > people preferred hanging out with their friends or surfing social networking > sites like Facebook to reading. > > > > > > The country, however, seems to be making inroads where literacy is > concerned. In September, Hamid Muhammad, the director general of > nontraditional education at the Ministry of Education, said that by the end > of the year, the illiteracy rate in Indonesia would stand at about 5.3 > percent, or about 8.3 million people. > > > > > > The problem, according to Desy, is in actually encouraging people to > read. > > > > > > "Our government only focuses on literacy initiatives and that is not > enough," she said. > > > > > > Ade agreed that picking up a book did not come naturally to many > Indonesians. "In this country, you don't see people reading a book in public > places, like a bus stop or a park," Ade said. And while in many developed > countries it's not unusual to see someone reading a thick paperback while > waiting for a bus, Ade said that "here, you'll probably get teased for > holding a big book." > > > > > > In contrast, she said, it's so much easier to find young people glued > to their computer screens or smartphones, logged on to Facebook or engrossed > in a video game. > > > > > > Dessy said the spread of technology itself had become a barrier to > encouraging young people to read. > > > > > > She said people preferred watching TV, surfing the Internet or playing > video games on PlayStation to reading. > > > > > > "The fact that technology is advancing every day is a good thing," > Dessy said. "But we have to use this technology wisely. > > > > > > "Our young people think that they can find everything on Google," she > said. "Well, that's not totally wrong. Google does give us everything, but > only in a small portions. If they want to find out more information, in a > lengthier version, they have to rely on books." > > > > > > The importance of reading, Dessy said, could be seen in Unesco's > "Literacy for Life" report in 2006, which showed that there is a strong > connection between illiteracy and poverty. Countries that have high > illiteracy levels also have more people living below the poverty line, > according to the report. "That's how important reading is," Dessy said. > > > > > > She said the government had not done enough to promote the written > word, pointing to the lack of libraries in the country. Dessy said the > government had been unable to work with community groups to improve local > libraries. > > > > > > In addition to the scarcity of reading materials, there is also the > issue of cost. "Sometimes we can't blame people for not reading books," Dessy > said. "This is because they can't find places where they can borrow books for > free, or buy them at cheap prices." > > > > > > Forum Indonesia Membaca is trying to spread the love of the written > word from its modest office at the Bank Mandiri Museum in Kota Tua, West > Jakarta. They have implemented the "Begini Begitu" program for kids and > "Makin Menter" for teens. These programs involve weekly storytelling > sessions, books discussions and writing workshops. > > > > > > "We want to let young people know that reading can be so much fun," > Dessy said. "And it's a lot easier if this is done as early as possible." > > > > > > In addition, the organization also holds "World Book Day Indonesia," an > annual event where book publishers and members of the community, from > nongovernment organizations to green groups, come together. The event was > last held in May. > > > > > > Forum Indonesia Membaca is run by a core group of 10 full-time > volunteers, with as many as 150 part-time members. > > > > > > The organization also manages the Bank Mandiri Museum's library, > libr...@batavia > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lina > > > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:21 AM > > > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: 5 berita maximum, setuju pak ambon? > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya pikir Nyong Ambon manise wat milis sendiri aja yang punya ciri > khas sendiri dan beda dari WM ini. Misal milis "Loper". Jadi bagi yang mo > menambah wawasan yang berciri khas loper, ya nangkring aje disitu. Jangan > menghilangkan ciri khas suatu milis yg dah ada dunk. > > > > > > Yang bikin 'refot otak ane' nih, ane dah semangat mo mengunjungi WM > dengan berharap mendapat pelajaran seperti yang sudah-sudah 'pengajian wanita > muslimah yang moderat' dari diskusi diskusi yg timbul..eh tiba tiba satu > screen isinya "dijual jamu kuat lelaki", "Bandrex cap ayam jago". Ya..memang > akhirnya ane tinggal. Jadi, bukan cuma soal delete-mendelete. > > > > > > Begono menurut ane seh! > > > > > > wassalam, > > > --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, aurora_2805@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Saya pikir ini urusan mod nya untuk meloloskan postingannya atau > tidak. Dan rasanya berita yg pak ambon kirimkan lumayan berguna bwt nambah > wawasan, kalo gak suka kan tinggal delete aja atau gak usah baca. Gak pake > tenaga banyak kok bwt delete. Kalo gusdur bilang 'Gitu aja kok repot' Maaf ya > kalo ikut2an. saya yakin niat pak ambon ini baik, insya allah. > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "aldiy" <aldiy@> > > > > Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:45:08 > > > > To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: 5 berita maximum, setuju pak ambon? > > > > > > > > Coba kita tanya ke Pak Ambon, apakah bapak setuju mengirim berita > maximum 5 berita per 24 jam? > > > > > > > > salam > > > > Mia > > > > > > > > --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, "sunny" <ambon@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Apakah tidak dibutuhkan selingan untuk relax dalam hidup? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Dwi Soegardi > > > > > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:08 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Hitler feared going to the dentist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kalo begitu baca saja sendiri, > > > > > dan diskusikan pada waktu makan atau minum kopi, > > > > > bukan sembarangan milis Anda penuh-penuhi. > > > > > > > > > > Kalo Anda posting sehari satu-dua sih ngga masalah kadang-kadang OOT > > > > > (out of topic), > > > > > tapi Anda kirimnya ngga terbatas, > > > > > OOT-nya tak terbatas pulak, > > > > > Apa pantes begitu? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
