rod/christine wrote:
>
>
> Al Winslow wrote:
> >
> >
> > rod/christine wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Al Winslow wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > rod/christine wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The income tax is unconstitutional.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------
> > > >
> > > > Th income tax is a bad idea, but it is not unconstitutional.
> > > >
> > > > The Constitution was AMENDED nearly 90 years ago specifically to allow
> > > > the federal government to levy such a tax.
> > > >
> > > > It's the 16th Amendment.
> > > >
> > > > Once an amenedment becomes part of the Constitution, whatever it allows
> > > > is constitutional.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > In my opinion... it is unconstitutional.
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > I'd be interested in hearing how you arrive at the notion that something
> >
> >
> > that is provided for in an amendment to the Constitution could be
> > unconstitutional. You could have the opinion that you are the King of
> > Prussia, but that wouldn't make it so.
> >
> > The income tax may be something that you really, really don't like. It
> > may be a terrible idea. But, since the Sixteenth Amrendment to the US
> > Constitution [ratified Feb. 25, 1913] says "The Congress shall have
> > power to lay and collect taxes on income from whatever source
> > derived..." there's hardly any way it can be "unconstitutional."
> >
> > That's not a mere piece of congressional legislation. It is a
> > constitutional amednmemt, passed, approved and ratified by the amendment
> >
> >
> > process contained within the Constitution.
> >
> > I think it's a bad idea, but unconstitutional it is not.
> >
> > I know there are wacko movements and book-writers who tell people they
> > don't have to pay their income taxes because it is unconstitutional.
> > Good luck in court if you take them seriously. Those ideas belong on the
> >
> >
> > sme shelf with the UFO and Elvis-sighting books.
> >
> > In the meantime, get a copy of the US Constitution and READ it. It's
> > available on the internet in several places. A quick Google search will
> > provide you with enlightenment. Your congressman's office will probably
> > send you a free copy of the Constitution upon request.
> >
> > AW
>
> ===
>
> This isn't (going to be) easy to explain in the written word -
> especially in one sitting, at the keypad... know what i'm saying?
>
> I completely agree with you that it is the "law of the land!"
>
> But!
>
> Just as the Pope is not my Father (of the spiritual realm).
>
> Neither is George Washington my Father (of this country).
>
> I do not recognize the authority of either entity as being able to
> compel me to follow their dictates.
>
> I (Rod) was not born into this world - not of my making - to be a loyal
> subject of Earthly Dominion. (territorial turf) For many people, you
> wake up one day and figure out that something is rotten in denmark -
> figure out that Buzz Aldrin (33rd degree Mason) never set foot on the
> Moon. It was all filmed ahead of time, in a Howard Hughes-built movie
> set at Groom Lake (area 51), Nevada.
>
> Just because the moonshots looked realistic - doesn't make it legal.
>
> Space Shuttles are 1960's technology - presently, they are grounded.
>
> Apollo 13 was filmed at Nevada site.
>
> It doesn't surprise me what J. Edgar Hoover (33rd degree Mason) did
> illegally. A Congressman is introducing legislation that would remove
> Hoover's name from all public buildings in the US. The FBI is under the
>
> jurisdiction of the Justice Department - that answers to no one. The
> IRS - answers to no one.
>
> Representative from Ohio, James A. Traficant Jr. was charged & Convicted
>
> (state court) on 10 Felony counts & some misdemeanors (bribery type
> stuff).
>
> The is the man who - brought Demjanyuk, who was acccused of being...
> Ivan the Terrible - some prison guard from ww2 concentration camp in
> germany. - place on trial in Israel for being the camp guard - found to
> be the wrong man - and released to the care of Traficant at airport in
> Israel and the two of flew back to US together.
>
> Traficant is the only American to beat a federal RICO rap!
>
> He is being targeted because of his exposure that the Democratic Party
> accepted $$$ from the Government of ed China. A few nuke secrets about
> the W-88 nuke bomb blueprints, etc. for campaign donations. Janet Reno
> is a traitor.
>
> Call your Congressman (whoever may be reading this on this list from
> America) and urge them to voted against any form of punishment.
>
> Well, this is my opening salvo on why the "income" tax is illegal. Look
>
> what is happening to Rep. Traficant all because he went against the IRS
> in the 1980's and the "reforms" that he instituted with the help of Rep.
>
> Bill Archer-R, of Texas.
>
> The 16th is illegal in the way that it has been "interpreted."
>
> Look at the way the 2nd Amendment has been "interpreted."
>
>
> It's after 3am here in Dakota - need a couple hours of shut-eye before
> milking (machine) the cows - then its off to the golf course to work on
> the 16th green. If it doesn't rain - we will complete the 18th on
> Sunday.
>
> Go Tiger! (british open)
>
>
>
> This ends part one - on the 16th amendment.
>
> Something that does not make sense? Ask me and i'll do my best to clean
>
> up the sentence/paragraph before going any further along.
>
>
> ps- pardon syntax, typos.
>
>
> Rod
>
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You wandered pretty far afield there, my friend. You had said the income
tax is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I replied that it is clearly and definitely
provided for IN THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF! So, while you and I can agree
that the income tax is a lousy thing and one we might like to abolish,
there is no possibility that it is unconstitutional. Words have to be
used with some care or communication becomes impossible. If you mean to
say that something stinks in your opinion that's fine. That's your
oinion. I share the opinion about the income tax as it is currently
written and enforced. But to try to spread the incorrect notion that it
is also unconstitutional is not helpful to meaningful political
discourse. The are some crazy books and groups pushing the idea. At
least fellow among them has already been convicted of tax evasion. Let's
not lead any other suckers astray.
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