Hi John, On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:31 PM, John Blossom <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the information. I was addressing Yuri directly as a starting > point, since I am unfamiliar with anyone else who has been active on the > Wave incubator code. I do understand the general structure of Apache. What > I am trying to understand more clearly is whether the Apache organization > as a whole governs the Wave incubator project or whether there is a subset > of contributors who govern it. Trademark issues are certainly understood.
The ASF runs the Incubator projects. Basically every ASF member can join this Incubator and mentor podlings. A podling is a project which aims to become an official ASF project, but isn't there yet. The contributors to the podling are often people who were not at the ASF before, but also can contain people who are active on other ASF projects as well. For information who is on Apache Wave, please look here: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#wave Please note, in this list are mentors included (like for example Upayavira, who is the most active mentor for this podling). Mentors do not necessary contribute code, they just show the podling how a typical ASF project runs. Once the podling has shown it has understood and it is willing to do the projects as we do them here, it can graduate out of the incubator and become an official project. You can find a lot of information on the incubator here: http://incubator.apache.org/ I am afraid this information is really a lot, and I am happy with answering more questions on this list too. The Incubator docs can be confusing and overwhelming. > I am glad to contribute requirements specifications and review, though my > coding days are pretty well past. My main concern is that the Wave > specification has not progressed under Apache and no longer reflects the > goals that Wave should be able to undertake in a mobile-first Web. I would > like to encourage developers to step forward to work towards that goal. To > that extend, the "third party" is simply other developers and enthusiasts > who need to communicate with Apache more actively to help determine how > best to move forward with Wave. I am taking that step on a non-commercial > basis, in the hopes that we can develop a code base that will result in > robust, interconnected commercial and non-commercial products and services. > Presumed goodwill should be the order of the day for everyone in this > process. What I understood was, you are trying to get all off the different Wave implementation groups under one roof and work out a common specification. For me it sounds definitely like a good plan and if done well it might be a good benefit for all people who are interested in this technology. But i am not one of the core developers, just an curious Apache guy, and so I cannot decide. Others may have a comment here in the next days. If more questions, I am happy to help out as I can. Cheers Christian > > All the best, > > John Blossom > > email: [email protected] > phone: 203.293.8511 > google+: https://google.com/+JohnBlossom > > > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Christian Grobmeier > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello John, >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:37 PM, John Blossom <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I am a member of WaveWatchers, a group of enthusiasts who remain devoted >> to >> > the concept of Wave and its future. I am trying to get a hand as to the >> > coordination of Apache Wave today. Yuri Zelikov, I know that you remain >> > active in the coding of projects in the Incubator community, and that >> > you've done a lot through the years to keep Wave-in-a-Box on the map. >> But I >> > am not sure of the structure of how your efforts fit into the bigger >> > picture. >> >> First off, the Apache Software Foundation is a group of volunteers >> doing projects together. >> At Apache Wave, there are more people to be considered active and so >> it would be wrong >> to just only ask Yuri. >> >> For more information on the ASF, please read: >> >> * www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html >> >> Please also note that the Incubator is a kind of meta project for >> hosting other projects >> which want to come to the ASF. >> >> That said it would be good if you could explain what you mean with >> "bigger picture". >> >> > I'd be grateful for an update from any and all concerned. I and others >> are >> > interested in re-architecting Wave for more full-blown implementation and >> > propagation. >> >> Surely, you and your fellows are invited to join the project on the >> dev list and discuss >> changes to the Apache Wave protocol. Please note, so far I see the >> term "Apache Wave" >> is a trademark of the Apache Software Foundation. Developing another >> "Wave" protocol >> outside of this project might make lead to trademark confusion and >> need to be discussed >> more in detail. >> >> While it is surely to our all benefit to join forces, it needs to be >> clear that this project >> is not necessary required to implement the specifications of a third >> party. This being >> said, it is better to discuss your proposed changes here, on the >> developer mailing list. >> >> All the best, >> Christian >> >> >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > All the best, >> > >> > John Blossom >> > >> > email: [email protected] >> > phone: 203.293.8511 >> > google+: https://google.com/+JohnBlossom >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> https://www.timeandbill.de >> -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de
