Ali,

*Massage* is very interesting.    I never heard that.    The actual meaning
is much the same, of course.   When I first heard it I was puce with
disgust;   now I understand it fully and doff my cap to his perception.
Information is all about selection;  the written word is intellectual (in
emphasis), the visual is emotional - the spoken word may be eitherl.   At
the same time from steam radio on the electronic gadgetry is increasingly an
isolating force.

I very briefly used (a free version of) the serif web program, but found the
need to tweak without the knowledge almost immediately.   Hot Dog 5 (and
Hmpro4) saves a lot of writing but makes one do it oneself.   With all the
talk about Dreamweaver I used to think it was a whole new world like CSS or
SSI;  now I get the impression that it is claimed to be the Photoshop of web
writing.

Joseph


----- Original Message -----
From: Alida Saxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Joseph,
>
> True, some things have been lost in the tech rush - and a lot of people
> seem to think that because they have a typsetting program, they're
> suddenly capable commerical artists.  Like thinking dreamweaver
> ownership makes you a good webmaster, for comparison. I've got
> dreamweaver, but I know I'm not at the top of the game. Pity some people
> don't realize the same with their layout programs.
>
> Ali
>
> P.S. Curious note, "the medium is the message" is actually a wide spread
> misquote. The actual quote is "the medium is the *massage*". Father's
> got  the book on the shelf in his office, and would you believe the back
> cover has the misquote! Even the editor wasn't on the ball. Hopefully
> caught in the next reprinting.
>
>
> Joseph Harris wrote:
>
> >Ali,
> >
> >Yes, it seems very quiet.   But so is another list (not to do with web
> >development) - has been for a few days.   Perhaps it's sun spots.
> >
> >I did some stone subbing on The Times a 'few' years ago.   It was a joy
to
> >watch the compositors putting a page together and typing away on the
> >linotype machines.   They were often better at knowing what decisions
were
> >needed that I was.    There was so much scope for these semi-mechanical
> >skills then;  it was amore flexible way to work.    For all their
marvels,
> >computerised compositing has less flexibility.    It enables much more
than
> >used to be possible, but perhaps that obscures the point.   As Macluan
> >pointed out, in the technological age 'the medium is the message'.
> >
> >Joseph
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Alida Saxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >>Been around a while? I'm only old enough for letraset and the stat
> >>machine in common use.
> >>
> >>OT, but doesn't the list seem a little quiet?  Either that or I'm not
> >>getting all the mail. Not even 10 pieces today so far.
> >>
> >>Ali
> >>
> >>Joseph Harris wrote:
> >>
> >>>Ah, yes.    Those were the days.
> >>>
> >>>Joseph
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Alida Saxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>
> >>>>And if you think this is a rant, you should have to sit down and
listen
> >>>>to my father when he talks about the last days of handset type, the
> >>>>printing biz, etc. ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>



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