I read some news this week about a whole site dedicated to theft of copyrighted 
material. The U.S. Department of Justice
seized the site, but I don't know what more is being done or can be done.
I also thought that material you dated and added the © symbol to was protected 
without filing any papers.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:53 AM
Subject: [wdvltalk] Copyright was content theft and strange page


Jan,

I am really sorry that you are suffering the loss of at least one very
original page;  is it the coding that you are seeking copyright for?

I actually don't understand the US idea of registering copyright.   So far
as I  know in the UK it is enough to have committed something to paper for
it to be one's copyright.   I had understood that on the web copyright was
instantaneous too.    That only where copyright was specifically offered
freely was there any right to copy.

It used to be here that such material (before the web) *had* to have a
copyright symbol with date and owner of the copyright and that copyright had
a life of (either 50years or a period after the writers death).   Some years
ago that protection was increased to 70 years after the writers death,
though I suspect that was to protect the interests of big business that had
copyrights 'bought' from the copyright owner -like film producers and
publishers of successful works.

In the case of my problem (and I think others should check their most
successful keywords). I am happy with my ownership of the copyright.   There
are two big issues to my mind.    One is the reliability and good name of
the Search Engines.

The second is the question:  why take so much trouble to cloak the
information as to who is doing the stealing.   I think it is everyone's
concern.   It may may an entirely new wheeze (oh, is that a UK
colloquialism?  it means idea or scam), that can be nipped in the bud.

It may have only just started.   When I first raised it on the list the
links went to a blank page.   Now that page appears to be acting like a
fully paid for search engine and I have seen two entries, one of them Ebay -
which is neither small nor ignorant of the ways of the web.   It could harm
their name too.   Either they are paying someone to do this and can point
the finger, or they too are being used to show the 'quality' of what is on
this 'search engine'.

Clearly it is trickery to steal anything from anywhere else for any
advantage whatsoever;  in this case I reckon that they see apotential and
will do this stealing more and more to more and more people's copyright
material.   I think it is a matter of major concern to the list.

The big problem is that it seems impossible to find out who is doing this.
And it seems very difficult to approach the Search Engines.   As I wrote to
Michael I am still waiting for replies from the bigger engines.   It is they
who have the most to lose but they don't seem to like swimming with the
minnows!

Joseph

From: Jan Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Yes, I see that on Yahoo too, a link to see "similar pages, etc."
>
> I understand now that it's not just your domain name, but the
> content on the pages.  My page was reproduced "word for word",
> "code for code", exactly as my page.  It looked like they just
> copied my page and with very little change, placed it on their website.
>
> That's what happened to me too, but my copyright is pending right
> now, so instead of contacting these other web sites about their
> "copyright infringement" (according to the Copyright department,
> your work is automatically copyrighted but not protected unless
> one gets an actual copyright on it.), feeling sick of the fact
> that the page I worked so hard to compose it just right, was
> stolen, I just changed my pages.
>
> Why couldn't you also file an "infringement of copyright" with
> the Copyright Department, probably through a lawyer, and
> attach printed copies of each page that has your content.
> At least that is what I suppose one would do to "get them for
> theft".
>
> I'm really sorry you are experiencing this, but at the same
> time, I am too, and I'm sure there are many, many others out
> there having their web pages stolen.
>
> I really don't know how the search engines can help you with
> your present theft problem, but please keep me and the list
> informed.
>
> Jan
> ---



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